Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[birdbox]

Yes I understand that part of it - it just seems crazy to me that anyone can access the wallet to see how much is in there. I thought it would be like a bank account where you have to enter your password to see your balance.

You can just see that a deposit or withdrawal has been made and people can send money to it, but they cant take it out. Kind of like at your bank i could go deposit 1000 to your account if I knew your bank account number but I can't take it out. The only difference in crypto you can see balances in the wallets, but not owner. And then it has to be moved around to other currencies to hide it and then to cash it out, etc and some countries have very sketchy laws. Its quite bizarre and why its a fan favorite of all things illegal now including how terrorist cells move money.

 

[dogmom805]

Who here thinks Savannah did this latest Instagram message on her own - without LE's input?

I think LE is either not being forthcoming, or just doesn't have any information to give (investigation leading to dead ends), and there is frustration on SG's part.

 

[Bodhi]

Really dumb question here: is the alleged 2nd deadline at 5pm eastern or 5pm local? If 5pm local, that would 7 eastern

Messages did not specify a time zone. Assumed to be Mountain Standard Time. Arizona does not follow daylight savings time. So currently, MST is 2 hours is -2 hours from EST. For the other half of the year, the difference is 3 hours.

 

[Vegasgrl]

Maybe Savannah is thinking abductor will drop off her mom in another state and wants people in all of the states to be on the lookout for her mom.

The billboards go Texas, all the way to Houston. Posted yesterday with link/ source. Btw, could someone tell me how to search within a thread?

 

[stmichael]

Screw the Daily Mail and TMZ. Have they no decency?

SG and her siblings relocated for security and privacy. The culprits who kidnapped and possibly murdered their mother are still at large. By revealing their location, the Daily Mail is jeopardizing the safety and privacy of traumatized victims in their most desparate hour.

Just as with TMZ's reporting publicly in real time whether it sees ransom being paid in a restricted transaction in the hours leading up to the kidnapper's final deadline. Outrageous. Unethical.

I hope the @tricia considers banning the Daily Mail and TMZ as sources for jeopardizing the return of an 84-year-old victim to her family, endangering the security of her family, and intruding on the privacy of crime victims. It goes against the victim-friendly standards that WS holds dear.

Alas, it seems the "ransomers" wanted this public disclosure and pain.

As one detective said "they sent the ransom note first to freakin' TMZ". They wanted this to play out in the public, still could be an opportunistic sicko/stalker and unrelated to the real disappearance of NG.

 

[birdbox]

The fact that law enforcement hasn't tracked the IP address says they are behind a complex setup of multiple vpns spanning multiple countries. Some countries will not give you access to the hop data. Networking in an international realm is quite complex. No standard laws rules.

 

[Wsimm]

Good point, Sheriff wasn’t sure how to respond when asked at the press conference if there was a threat to the public since no one has been arrested. Add to that, no more requests for tips from the public and any descriptions of anything people should be looking for etc.? It’s too quiet. Do they have a suspect in their sight?

Suspect in sight and someone else unknown?

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

I’m hearing some of these talking heads, former LE guys say it might have been a robbery and something went wrong.

Why would the robbers take NG from the house? That seems odd. If it’s a murder for the sake of inheritance, why take NG out of the house to do something that they could have done inside the house and leave her in the home?

 

[Ellis' Mom]

I switched it because I did not want to cause confusion. THE Vera Stanhope had the grace to respond kindly via private message. I tried to make sure I stayed "age appropriate" in my next selection...this will make it harder to pick an alternate if there's another Hetty because I seem to have seen at least two Jessica Fletchers...

Ah--how nice of you! I'm sure I've seen multiple Veras over time. I love Hetty so I applaud your choice!

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Just Googled as I'm Canadian... AZ has the death penalty and possibly for kidnapping resulting in death sounds like.

Do they think the perp skipped state to avoid that if getting caught? I guess they could still get brought back to AZ for trial?

Crossing the border to another state would make the case worse. imo

jmo

 

[Derdew]

Google the bold terms + "movie" - the results will shock you

I’m not getting anything

 

[Walela]

The fact that law enforcement hasn't tracked the IP address says they are behind a complex setup of multiple vpns spanning multiple countries. Some countries will not give you access to the hop data. Networking in an international realm is quite complex. No standard laws rules.

I'm sorry, could you explain your answer as it relates to my post? Thanks

 

[KellySleuth]

Good point, Sheriff wasn’t sure how to respond when asked at the press conference if there was a threat to the public since no one has been arrested. Add to that, no more requests for tips from the public and any descriptions of anything people should be looking for etc.? It’s too quiet. Do they have a suspect in their sight?

It has been very quiet today. Even the podcasters/journalists staked out at the homes have seen nothing. If they do have a suspect who they're closing in on, maybe SG's video today was to keep that suspect in the dark.

 

[DizzyB]

Maybe the “kidnapers” stated that Nancy would immediately be released upon payment, and they paid some time ago. So they did not stay true to their terms, rules have changed now.

 

[MCB1151]

Early on it was said by the FBI that any decisions on handling the ransom would be up to the family, though the FBI would obviously offer their thoughts.

According to Janke, while the FBI is in contact with Guthrie’s family and does make recommendations when a ransom is made, “any action taken on any ransom is ultimately decided by the family.”

“If someone has Nancy and is demanding the ransom, then there is communication with the family,” Janke added. But he noted that “there has been no proof of life, and there was no other demands within that letter.” WGN - FBI statements

So with that said, I feel like if the family tells the FBI they want to assume the ransom letters ARE connected to the disappearance, the FBI will make recommendations on addressing the ransom demanders. I know SG is media savvy and an attorney, but I doubt she would do anything publicly that the FBI highly discouraged. The linguists with the FBI can find and hide messages in words far beyond what many would see. Behavior, appearance, who is in the video, everything can be very carefully constructed. If SG appearing alone makes someone think "ooooh AG isn't there so she must have split from the siblings because she doesn't believe them anymore" it proves how every little decision matters. Perp thinks heat is on SIL, they may slip up. SIL thinks SG has split off from him, there may be another dynamic come forward.

 

[MadCowWisco]

All of them staying together, if true, is either a sign that one (or two) of those folks that some suspect are involved aren't involved at all, or they are rabidly malignant human beings. Odds are the former.

JMO.

"involved" is a very broad term - you can be involved in something in alot of different ways.

 

[K.jill]

The billboards go Texas, all the way to Houston. Posted yesterday with link/ source. Btw, could someone tell me how to search within a thread?

On the tight right hand of your screen, there is a search icon once you enter what you want to search make sure you click on this thread or you’ll get results from other cases.

 

[LRinCA]

Why drop her off anywhere? Why not leave her where she is and then use the email tip line to give the location coordinates. Some seem to think this person is a local and is in the Tucson area and if so, no one has located them yet so just drive away while everyone else waits the mythical 10 hours for them to "return" to Tuscon.
moo

All guesses/speculation are possibilities.

I would think they wouldn't leave her where she is because of fingerprints, evidence, etc.; but who knows.

 

[RayVon]

They'd also probably be unable to work if they're holding her, so they would have to have a means to sustain themselves. They would have gone "all in" on getting $$ from the abduction because their livelihood is gone/diminished. Even losing one client (NG) would be a substantial loss in income, no matter how slight that income. In neighborhoods like this, I bet 90-100% of households have people helping with their households, and the neighborhood would typically be filled with workers throughout the day. I know mine is.

I guess my point - the local hired help would be losing everything -- and not even demand a ransom for multiple days?

But it could be an acquaintance of the hired workers who may just get a wild idea to pull this off after hearing about this rich lady living by herself-- alone at night? People talk, gossip and share stories about their workplace all the time.

 

[turaj]

That’s certainly possible. What struck me is that I had heard a former LE officer or FBI agent being interviewed and he mentioned the importance of getting exactly the kinds of tips that SG just mentioned. Ex. People acting differently, change of routines etc. I wondered why I hadn’t heard LE making those specific appeals. But SG just did. Smart move.

If you take a look at many recent murder cases they were solved thanks to tips from the public. Good for SG for getting the message out. I don't understand why LE did. not do more.