AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Huh. IMO this would explain the additional searches that were done at NG’s & AG’s. It always seemed to me like someone was running down a checklist saying, “ok did you do this? Ok, how about this? No?? Well go do it! Ok great job. Now how about this? No??? Well go do that too!” Maybe the additional searches that some of us were surprised weren’t done initially was because it took awhile for the FBI to get in there and make sure all investigative leads were done.
I am not clear on what was up with the camera(s) that were removed from the roof on the building behind the house. IRC it was several days after the house was released to the family, I think it was the third time they went back to search. If they were cameras that recorded it was a a huge oversight.
 
  • #16,002
Wow! I just watched his video, honestly he should probably be a comedian. Shocking though he called the SIL "creepy looking dude" at the 6:16 mark and at the 7:07 mark said "she's certainly not going to be sex trafficked, Who the hell would want that?" His semi truck mouth ( I could do better) makes me think he should be a comedian. IMO
That sounds disgusting, honestly.
 
  • #16,003
She didn’t want to drive to her daughter’s house and took Uber instead?
NG only drove during the daytime, not at night. It's not unusual for older people. As I've gotten older, I no longer drive at night.
 
  • #16,004
Whatever your thoughts are on her, do we know why AB has been mum for days? Someone said she was gagged but that was unconfirmed. I wonder if she's chosen to remain silent, or been gagged, or her source was gagged? Just curious, because if she did have a LE source, I would imagine she would have otherwise unknown info (for better or worse)
 
  • #16,005
If T is involved, I think it is highly likely that A is involved too. She would have said something if he had taken hours to come home after dropping her off, or probably noticed if he left again late at night.
I would sadly have to agree.
 
  • #16,006
Wow! I just watched his video, honestly he should probably be a comedian. Shocking though he called the SIL "creepy looking dude" at the 6:16 mark and at the 7:07 mark said "she's certainly not going to be sex trafficked, Who the hell would want that?" His semi truck mouth ( I could do better) makes me think he should be a comedian. IMO

Just wanna say in response to the “who the hell would want that”… I have first hand experience with an individual who was around NG’s age that was sexually assaulted and ultimately died as a result for a gang initiation.

ETA: I should say I have first hand experience from the medical side, this was not an individual that I knew personally. Regardless, it was a very upsetting and tragic situation for all involved. The perp was very young too. Just awful all around.
 
  • #16,007
that doesn't confirm they didn't receive it though. i think it's within the realm of plausibility that LE/family did receive one but didn't publicize it so kidnappers sent it to MSM. this also goes along with my earlier comment that the motive potentially had less to do with money than it did an obsession with savannah.

Indeed. A ransom note - rather than the blood or initial condition of the home - could've been why they reacted so assuredly that it was a crime scene, and what convinced the Sheriff that she was "taken from her bed" (yeah, yeah I know he walked that back as metaphor, but I think LE tend to mean what they say, Freudian slips and all).

JMO.
 
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I am not clear on what was up with the camera(s) that were removed from the roof on the building behind the house. IRC it was several days after the house was released to the family, I think it was the third time they went back to search. If they were cameras that recorded it was a a huge oversight.
I agree that it was a big oversight. But they were the same kind of cameras as the other ones, they might only record a few hours and then re-record over that.

JMO
 
  • #16,011
do we know for sure that it wasn't sent to the guthries or LE?
As far as all the reporting goes it was sent directly to Tuscon TV stations including ABC affiliate KGUN and the CBS affiliate KOLD and TMZ. They have said so and the investigators never refuted this and Pima County investigators I believe confirmed this.

The last leak of the $6M ransom amount and conditions were by Tuscon ABC affiliate KGUN9 which was one of the recipients.

SG said in the first video "We too have heard the reports about a ransom letter in the media. As a family, we are doing everything that we can." She never said they got a note directly.
 
  • #16,012
Was t there a statement somewhere early on they found her watch or cell phone in her car?? I read it somewhere!!
Proved inaccurate I believe. Much debate over it turned out to be wrong. JMO
 
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Just wanna say in response to the “who the hell would want that”… I have first hand experience with an individual who was around NG’s age that was sexually assaulted and ultimately died as a result for a gang initiation.
so very sorry. sending hugs.
 
  • #16,015
Yes. I have a monitored pacemaker that transmits to my phone app. As long as the phone is nearby it doesn't matter where I am.
Crazy thought but I wonder if they have thought about taking the watch around some of the areas to see if it picks up the pacemaker in case they can locate her this way?
-How far from the device does it connect?
-If, sadly, she has passed, is the pace maker still recording data and would it connect to an app?

It seems far fetched but I would say they are desperate at this point to find her. And obviously this would only work if she was still in the immediate area.
 
  • #16,016
so very sorry. sending hugs.
I should say the first hand experience is from the medical side, I did not know the individuals directly! It was a really tragic situation, though, and definitely shook up pretty much everyone involved.

I appreciate your kindness!
 
  • #16,017
But if she charged her watch in the same place, it would have been a known location to almost anyone who came into the house, i.e. cleaning, repairs services, visitors, etc. For reference, I leave my charger plugged in and in the same location. Then I just place the watch there every night before bed.
I'm just using your post, not necessarily directed at you..

Every one keeps assuming her watch must have been on the charger. When Harvey has talked about the watch, he never mentions a charger, at all. It's quite possible she was wearing it and was made to take it off or was taken off of her.

Harvey Levin, love him or hate him, said that it was so very specific that he believes that its possible it's real and written by whoever took NG.

FYI: I wear my smart watch to bed, I have a pattern of when and where I charge it too, but it's during the day. My watch is so smart, it will tell me when it's just about that time for me to put it on the charger ;)
 
  • #16,018
Whatever your thoughts are on her, do we know why AB has been mum for days? Someone said she was gagged but that was unconfirmed. I wonder if she's chosen to remain silent, or been gagged, or her source was gagged? Just curious, because if she did have a LE source, I would imagine she would have otherwise unknown info (for better or worse)
I wouldn't say that, she posted a video last night on her youtube channel. Drop Dead Serious.

ETA: Actually it was just posted 12 hrs ago
 
  • #16,019
Evidence collected during this "consensual" period is generally admissible in court because the residents waived their Fourth Amendment rights voluntarily
Yes, they would have a signed consent to search form for any third party residences they went through. Consent can be revoked at any time, but evidence gathered during the consent period is totally admissible. And plain view evidence that they observed during that consent period can also be used as probable cause for a search warrant down the road if consent is withdrawn and some puzzle pieces come together that necessitate it.

JMO
 
  • #16,020
IF TO was involved, perhaps AG was involved after the fact? Meaning, the crime had been committed, AG found out/was and is in shock but ultimately chose to protect the father of her child. At least for the time being..
 

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