Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[ZZZZZZZZZZ]

This is good news, as these are the things I would expect in a situation like this where there is an abduction/kidnapping.

The thing that bothers me is that it wasn't done sooner typically these things should be done within the first 24-72 hrs as the first 48hrs are most critical for a positive outcome.

• Elimination Samples: Persons with legitimate access to the home—such as housekeepers or gardeners—are prioritized for "elimination samples" to quickly filter out their DNA from evidence found at the scene, usually in the early stages of the investigation.
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• Legal Process: While often voluntary initially, if a staff member is considered a suspect, DNA can be collected upon arrest, a process that in some jurisdictions is now expedited by Rapid DNA technology (providing profiles in ~90 minutes

Perhaps the samples were submitted earlier as they quickly identified the blood as belonging to NG.

 

[turaj]

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Not to sound cliché but would people outside of the family know the relationship between members of the family? I keep thinking about the usual "they kept to themselves. We've been their neighbors for 30 years and never talked to them other than a wave."

I think the fact that there aren't people coming to their defense probably says alot. I didn't hear SG plead with people to stop spreading gossip about AG/SIL. Not that it means she thinks they are guilty - but it certainly is odd no one, even the family, seems to be speaking up for them.

I think at this point SG can defend no one. LE has made it clear no one is cleared and no one suspect.

 

[turaj]

Yes, I understand that. My question is what is the point? If you're supposedly so close you attend the same event (in person or virtual) but don't acknowledge each other? What is the point of attending then?

respectfully how do you know that sometime in the next day or two they discuss the sermon and service....that is on a normal week.

 

[SlimPickens]

Do we know for sure that her meds were left at the scene, or are we just assuming that to be the case because of their references to them within the pleas for her return? In other words, what if the reference was more of an admonishment than a plea? Did they count the pills if the bottles were left behind? I'm sure they did if the bottles were present.

JMO.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I would challenge the notion of no warrants. We saw LE take things from the house. They didn't just stumble upon "evidence" during a casual "mind if we take a look around" moment. We have not seen this same supposed warrantless house tour anywhere else.

I'd feel different if nothing was taken. But from my perspective, they knew what they were looking for - and I suspect they had a warrant ready if consent was refused.

We also don't know that no one was questioned. I would guarantee they were. DNA would also have been taken from all of the family. Just because we weren't told the SIL and AG (even CG and SG for that matter) were not taken interviewed by police doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Points taken. But we really didn't see a lot coming out of that house and we don't know what they took. We saw a paper bag. We surmise they at least took photos. That could have just been related to what they found out about Nancy's affairs which presumably AG helps manage. What we did not see was swarms of investigators, or the level of activity that would indicate they found a hot bed of evidence. It was pretty low key.

You're right no doubt they have all been questioned. But we have not heard that so and so has been at LE HQ for 12+ hours etc. I would think if that happened, media would have reported on that or it would be leaked. That would be a sign to me that LE really was looking seriously at someone. If it hasn't happened by now, I just can't see SIL being a prime suspect at this point. We'll see.

I really appreciate your posts

 

[mikeshanty]

Do we know for sure that her meds were left at the scene, or are we just assuming that to be the case because of their references to them within the pleas for her return? In other words, what if the reference was more of an admonishment than a plea? Did they count the pills if the bottles were left behind? I'm sure they did if the bottles were present.

JMO.

They were left at the scene. This is explicitly stated in a legal filing re: the California hoxer.

 

[mikeshanty]

you don't need to any sleuther can find it easily with a few clicks.

Right, but that's different to publishing the address on a forum.

 

[darring21]

This is good news, as these are the things I would expect in a situation like this where there is an abduction/kidnapping.

The thing that bothers me is that it wasn't done sooner typically these things should be done within the first 24-72 hrs as the first 48hrs are most critical for a positive outcome.

• Elimination Samples: Persons with legitimate access to the home—such as housekeepers or gardeners—are prioritized for "elimination samples" to quickly filter out their DNA from evidence found at the scene, usually in the early stages of the investigation.
• 
  
• Legal Process: While often voluntary initially, if a staff member is considered a suspect, DNA can be collected upon arrest, a process that in some jurisdictions is now expedited by Rapid DNA technology (providing profiles in ~90 minutes

Brian Entin's video addresses a lot of this

. He has a retired FBI agent at the 7:30 mark. He says the sheriff's office did not have time to do a lot of this at the outset. They had 24-48 hours to find her and all their resources had to go to that. Now, they are doing the more thorough investigative things.

Entin also has been to the courthouse and to find if there had been warrants issued to AG's house and there were none.

The FBI agent says the FBI would not be in the house without a warrant because simple consent is easily challenged. "A defense attorney will say they would not have consented if LE had told them they were a suspect..." etc. The FBI agent doesn't believe anyone living at the house is a suspect and their activity is just more thoroughness.

 

[stmichael]

Ransom is now a moot point. It wasnt paid, as directed, to the Preferred BITCOIN account. FBI, LE, and Websleiths do not have a crystal ball as to whether it was legit or not. Family makes the decision. They didn't pay it. They rolled the dice either way. Frankly, I am surprised. What happened to "we will pay" ? MOO

Actually you do not know for a fact if they paid it. As even H. Levin who was monitoring the bitcoin wallet from the initial "ransom letter" has said it's quite possible they emailed a second bitcoin wallet once the first one leaked, he doesn't know. Experts have said they could have contacted them through back channels etc. etc. There is so much that would not have been made public. So we don't know *bleep* definitively. It certainly seems like the ransom angle has fizzled and the investigation has pivoted. Maybe investigators have determined it was fraudulent.

I do know this investigation has been muddled with a lot of assumptions and some erroneous reporting and the context of the entire ransom has been very atypical to most ransom scenarios (why it is drawing dubious attention from LE experts, etc.)

 

[whowy]

If NG wore dentures/partial, she most likely would have worn them for dinner at her daughter's on Saturday. If LE found such dental apparatus at NG's home, that would be an indicator that she did return home after dinner. (This assumes she habitually removed the apparatus to clean it before going to bed).

 

[Sadi]

Yes, I understand that. My question is what is the point? If you're supposedly so close you attend the same event (in person or virtual) but don't acknowledge each other? What is the point of attending then?

Maybe they would talk about the service afterwards and catch up?

 

[FoxxTraxx]

I have been following this case and thread pretty closely and am just now chiming in. I’ve been just as baffled by everyone else by this case. I am really curious about why people suspect the BIL or AG more than any other theory right now and am wondering if I’m missing something.

If you suspect the BIL or AG - why? And without the Ashleigh Banfield tip from her LE source, would you still? Is it just the statistics that most murders are done by a family member?

Welcome to the conversation. I myself do not believe AG and SIL are perpetrators or involved. However, there must be a motive for what happened and it's probably financial.

Some will point out that there is apparently a great financial disparity within the 'G' family. AG and SIL are also saddled with day-to-day responsibility of keeping an eye on NG. The other siblings live thousands of miles away. Over time, in theory, resentment can build. A resentful person may think it would be nice to get a slice of NG's estate sooner rather than later.

For myself, I think if AG and SIL were involved this case would have been resolved by now.

 

[SaraSmile]

I'm reposting to clarify. ​

There is nothing normal about this case. The son-in-law may have been the last person to see Nancy alive. The sheriff has not cleared anyone, and he has also stated there are no “prime suspects” at this time.

Because no one has been cleared, discussion is allowed. However, it must be done using initials only.

SHERIFF REFUSES TO RULE OUT SG'S BROTHER-IN-LAW, ACCORDING TO NYP.

The reason is simple. If someone is discussed as a possible suspect and their full name is repeated over and over, it follows them forever. Google does not forget. Using initials helps protect innocent people from long-term harm if they are ultimately not involved.

This situation is unprecedented for Websleuths. We are dealing with a kidnapping in which a family member was reportedly the last person to see Nancy. Shutting down the discussion of the people closest to Nancy and those who last saw her would effectively end the thread.

We are doing the best we can to balance open discussion with protecting innocent people. It is not a perfect system, but ultimately, we are a true-crime discussion forum, and when law enforcement has not cleared anyone and has not named a prime suspect, discussion must be allowed—carefully and responsibly.

Tricia

During AB’s original “ lead” about insider info on TC being linked, I took it that AB meant it could be someone TC knows, not necessarily TC himself doing crime.
TC would still be considered a conspirator.
JMO

 

[crcap]

I feel like this should’ve been solved by now with a more competent team working on it. JMO.

 

[Black eyed pea]

Jmoo, I think they should release the ransom notes to the public. There could be a style of phrasing, grammar, etc in those notes that someone could recognize.

Someone needs to start talking.

 

[gin2]

Yes, I understand that. My question is what is the point? If you're supposedly so close you attend the same event (in person or virtual) but don't acknowledge each other? What is the point of attending then?

I think it was a was a way of quietly connecting across the miles.

 

[SlimPickens]

SG was finally convinced that the kidnap/ ransom issue was a hoax.
Starting over, looking for Mom, need more clues and help.
JMO

I don't necessarily think she was convinced of that. I think she could've just as easily put that out because time was running out and she didn't want to potentially turn 6 million dollars into ether. I feel like it could've been a Hail Mary before having to make that difficult decision. JMO.

 

[Luna20]

Because Mrs. Guthrie and friends were in Tucson viewing the service livestreamed from New York and Savannah was attending in person at the Church in New York where she lives.

imo

First time I’m hearing that. Do you have a link?

 

[Napoli]

There is an alternate possibility that NG took the Uber to confront someone at AG's house. Once there, SIL had an altercation with NG, and NG never returned to her home. Someone else may have returned all of her things there, and staged the house to look like a crime scene.

Then how do you explain the pacemaker syncing until 228 AM?

 

[Walela]

This seems odd. Why put up billboards in Texas? Unless they think she is alive and being moved.

Via I-10, El Paso Texas is about a 4.5 hour drive. Distance from El Paso, TX to Tucson, AZ