Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[thefragile7393]

Studies show that streetlights do not prevent accidents or crime. One such study is at this link: https://jech.bmj.com/content/69/11/1118

We don't have streetlights in Tucson and that's never seemed to have been an issue. Much better for the observatories. Because many houses in wealthier neighborhoods in Tucson are spread apart and set back from the road, the ring cameras don't necessarily capture cars or people on the street.

We do have streetlights lol. They are all over the place in the city. They are not nearly as bright enough for safety, considering the number of jaywalkers and pedestrian that have been hit or have near misses in the city parts

When you get more rural or outside of city limits there are less streetlights, yes.

 

[MassGuy]

I hope they find NG’s body soon, per cases noted, finding body was key to solving cases.
JMO

I think the Woodrum case is the most applicable.

In that one, police did a geofence, which isolated two cell phones during the time in question. One of those phones was the victim's, but the other was unknown.

They eventually figured out the identity of the person using the unidentified phone, and DNA nailed him. He eventually led them to the body after being interrogated.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, it was on Fox news. Tricia has made an exception and allowed Fox for this thread. It does appear to be based on one source, but to me it sounds convincing.

Nancy Guthrie was expected at friend’s home, not church on day she vanished: source''

JMO

That answers a big question I had about why Nancy would be so immediately noticed and people concerned that she had not shown up to church. I thought she may have always sat with a group of ladies and gone to lunch or something afterwards which would have raised an alarm, but this makes much more sense.

They called her cellphone and couldn't reach her at home, so that escalated the call to AG I'd bet.

JMO

 

[SMK777]

It’s always important to keep an open mind when you’re following a criminal investigation, especially when details are scarce, and facts are disputed.

The longer this investigation goes on, the greater the possibility that initial suspicions and theories may be off base.

I’m still leaning a particular way, but it remains entirely possible that other options are in play. Namely, someone on the periphery of Nancy’s circle being involved.

Cases like that aren’t unprecedented. Here are two examples where someone outside the immediate family circle was ultimately responsible:

-Vermont (2024): 82-yr-old Roberta Martin was murdered by her 23-yr-old neighbor. He moved her body into nearby woods and burned/concealed her remains to destroy evidence and buy time before she was found.

-California (Paso Robles, 2018): 62-yr-old Nancy Woodrum was killed by a painter/worker who had access to her property. He transported her body to a remote area and dumped it. She was initially treated as a missing person until he led police to her remains.

Great post .

 

[stmichael]

Studies show that streetlights do not prevent accidents or crime. One such study is at this link: https://jech.bmj.com/content/69/11/1118

We don't have streetlights in Tucson and that's never seemed to have been an issue. Much better for the observatories. Because many houses in wealthier neighborhoods in Tucson are spread apart and set back from the road, the ring cameras don't necessarily capture cars or people on the street.

It's not just streetlights it's the property/home lighting. Good lighting around a house 100% is a deterrent and recommended by police. I live in a wooded area with multi acre properties, no street lights. We had a few break-ins by multiple masked men in the area and the crime unit implored everyone to keep their exterior lights on as they were sneaking up in the cover of darkness It's an area where "the bad guys shop", older people, large properties with long driveways. We have several floodlights (commercial stadium type) on the property (some can be triggered by wifi swithes, some by RF). Bright lighting around the home also helps in camera captures (IR not so great on some residential wifi cam ecosystems).


An ex FBI agent on the scene mentioned:
“What I was immediately struck by was this — the darkness,” retired FBI supervisory special agent James Gagliano
“And the type of cacti, the flora and fauna that are native here in Arizona, for somebody to be able to sneak up in the dark not to be seen or to bring a car in with no lights on the road right behind my shoulder,”

Ex-FBI agent describes what ‘really took my breath away’ about Nancy Guthrie crime scene

Retired FBI supervisory special agent James Gagliano spoke to FOX & Friends on Tuesday morning, from near Nancy’s home in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood on the outskirts of Tucson, Arizona…

nypost.com

 

[turaj]

Starkville said:
As one of the people obsessed with the “churchgoer call”, I’m observing the latest explanation with a grain of salt. It answers questions but introduces others (for me, at least), which I won’t get into unless others care to discuss.

Why was all this hidden?

there are some of these pieces of info that are facts that LE could have shared with public to avoid all the speculation but guess they have their reasons not to. I bet the poor "friend" is in hiding.

 

[LAhiker]

Being sound of

I’m thinking once the workers are set up on a schedule SIL would not need to be involved, unless there was an issue to discuss.
JMO

Because NG was sound of mind, AG and TC might not have been involved at all, though of course it's also possible that they helped out extensively. I don't think we know.

JMO

 

[moonglow123]

Well, it has been discussed since the beginning of this thread. Nancy likely had a lot of people working on her house, yard, coming to help her etc.

It doesn’t have to directly be one of her employees, all it takes is one of them off-handedly mentioning to an ill-intentioned family member or friend that they work for Savannah Guthrie’s mom. And that person figuring out that Nancy is vulnerable and lives alone. Someone random like that is much harder for LE to determine.

May not even be targeting her for money, this wouldn’t be the first time predators targeted random older women hoping they’ll be vulnerable and easier targets.

 

[NoseyRecluse]

He has offered. all help possible and wants a great outcome. Unfortunately based on DJT track record it is often more for the victory laps he takes afterward.

In reality, they all take their victory laps.

 

[Arkay]

Can I ask how readily available Nancy’s address would have been prior to the incident? Im not American but I know you guys have public record websites. Is it something a person would have been able to easily retrieve? In my country that data is somewhat protected.

Unfortunately, in America it is shockingly simple.

Our addresses, landline phones and cell phone numbers are in multiple public data bases. Also email addresses. Also there are lists that show our relatives.

I have been retired from teaching for eight years, and I get phone calls and emails from former students who just want to say “hi” and catch up. I’ve had a handful who’ve shown up at my door. My daughter and granddaughter were living with me then and my daughter went ballistic.

There are ways for people more tech-savvy than me to get private info off these databases, but for me it’s too cumbersome to do.

Okay I will admit that one kid’s GRANDMOTHER showed up with her grandson and gave me an enormous box of Godiva chocolates which was fun, but still I feel so intruded upon.

JME

 

[MassGuy]

CNN confirming Fox reporting in regard to the church service at a friend’s house.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021254155482923054

 

[Mom of 3]

Back when I thought NG was missing from the actual physical church, I asked the question how was she supposed to get there? Who was picking her up? Why didn't that set off the alarm when she didn't answer the door, what with the blood apparent at the house door. Or maybe she was still driving although that doesn't seem likely. So I have the same question: how was she getting to the the friend's house?

She had a car - no one has said she never drove. Maybe she Uber'd to AG/SIL house and had them bring her home because it was going to be dark and she doesn't drive at night.

 

[dotr]

Feb 10, 2026
The FBI is now offering a $50,000 reward in the search for Nancy Guthrie, who was reported missing on Feb. 1. CBS News' Andres Gutierrez and Anna Schecter have the latest.

 

[Trino]

Here we are:
The FBI has different groups working on licenses, vehicles, DNA, technology, searches, etc. yet...
No suspects (official). You can bet the SIL has been thoroughly investigated. As to workers, having spent time in Tucson, I can tell you there are many illegals doing maintainence work. Doubtful they are involved with Bitcoin. Maybe not even around now.
No vehicle.
No ransom.
Nothing.

Time to think outside the box, whatever that means. How much was the family really involved with her day to day life? Did she have friends the family didn't know? Did someone walk, bike to her property, use her vehicle to abduct her, then return it to the garage? Novel idea.

Was the ransom real or a scam? Still we are unsure.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Personally, I was shocked at how people reacted when you said, 'yard worker'. We have gone too far the other way.

Thank you. Lol.
I am 77 and forget my words. I couldn’t recall “landscaper” so I said yard worker. No insults meant.
When I retired I was an office manager/executive secretary/administrative assistant. I was never offended to be called a secretary or clerk. That’s what I was. You do what you are qualified to do. Sometimes you do it all. I was always amazed that the CEO’s I worked for couldn’t spell. Guess they aren’t educated to spell. But when I start typing a post I generally mess up so it’s all good.

 

[SMK777]

Well, it has been discussed since the beginning of this thread. Nancy likely had a lot of people working on her house, yard, coming to help her etc.

It doesn’t have to directly be one of her employees, all it takes is one of them off-handedly mentioning to an ill-intentioned family member or friend that they work for Savannah Guthrie’s mom. And that person figuring out that Nancy is vulnerable and lives alone. Someone random like that is much harder for LE to determine.

May not even be targeting her for money, this wouldn’t be the first time predators targeted random older women hoping they’ll be vulnerable and easier targets.

Yes, that's a very good point.

Some years ago a case was known to me personally because it involved extended family, where an older widow in an affluent neighborhood was robbed and raped (but not killed, thankfully) after having some work done on her kitchen.

Turned out it was not the 2 workers, but actually a cousin of one of them who'd been informed about the job.

 

[Warwick1991]

I'm interested in the drips running down the door frame.

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Major developments in search for Nancy Guthrie as cops raid her home

Forensic teams were seen scouring the roof of Nancy's home in Tucson, Arizona, reportedly finding a camera mounted to the property that had been missed in previous searches.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It looks to me a like scrape instead of a drip. It appears to be a depression, not a paint run. I think it was painted over, also. To be sure, one would have to see the area from more than one angle

 

[turaj]

Being sound of

Because NG was sound of mind, AG and TC might not have been involved at all, though of course it's also possible that they helped out extensively. I don't think we know.

JMO

"of sound mind" is only relevant for drawing up legal documents. I am sure she had a full estate plan in place with POA etc. That said I am "of sound mind" and my daughter and sil help me all the time with things around the house.

 

[whitelilac]

This may have already been posted, cannot catch up to 30 new pages since last night. I'm also assuming the FOX news is still allowed for this case only after Tricia's announcement last night.

" Former FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino outlined three stark possibilities in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance, saying the lack of leads has left investigators confronting unsettling questions.

"The first [possibility] would be, obviously, it's a kidnapping. That was an intended kidnapping for a ransom payment…" he said on "Hannity" on Monday.

"The second possibility would be this was just a crime that went awry. Someone was at the house, maybe it was a burglary, maybe something went bad, and you've got some bad actors committing another crime unrelated — in other words, requesting a ransom for something you didn't do just to take advantage of a situation like this."

The third possibility, he said, is that Guthrie’s disappearance may not have been a kidnapping at all, but instead the result of a medical emergency or another non-criminal event that was later misunderstood or misrepresented. "

Personally I am leaning to the second, which was my original feeling at the beginning.

Bongino reveals 'three possibilities' in Nancy Guthrie case as FBI probes disappearance

Former FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino outlined three theories about Nancy Guthrie's disappearance, from kidnapping to medical emergency possibilities.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Curiousobserver]

I think the Woodrum case is the most applicable.

In that one, police did a geofence, which isolated two cell phones during the time in question. One of those phones was the victim's, but the other was unknown.

They eventually figured out the identity of the person using the unidentified phone, and DNA nailed him. He eventually led them to the body after being interrogated.

I served on a jury where the perp was clever enough to leave their phone powered off during the crime, but then some 5 miles away powered it back on. Police found out this person resided 1800 miles away, and upon digging further linked them to the crime. Phones dropping off in the network 12-1 in the vicinity or powering on between 2am and 4 am might be useful and there may not be much data to sift through at that time of night.