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I seen this last week . Has anyone read or heard anything about the business card seen here at NG’s door?
I hadn't seen this before! You can bet "Debra M" of whatever company has been contacted by LE! I can't identify anything other than her name.
 
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Well now that makes sense. Now I understand how she could be livestreaming a service, and people would notice her missing. Why did it take so long for this to come out?
Why is there still no timestamp for when the friend contacted/notified AG?
 
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“The numbers don't look good at this point for [Nancy] doing okay, so I think that's another plea to the public, where we have an individual who might still be around with us, and just not in a good state right now, and we need your information right away,” he said.

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It looks to me a like scrape instead of a drip. It appears to be a depression, not a paint run. I think it was painted over, also. To be sure, one would have to see the area from more than one angle
Are you looking above the locks or beside them?
 
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I still feel like the actual, unredacted 911 call (not the dispatch that they released), would tell us if there was a ransom note on site. I imagine that the 911 caller would've included that info in the call. To my knowledge LE hasn't indicated one way or the other if a ransom note was there, but they did state that it was clearly a crime scene.

JMO.

QMOP.

Building on this, if there was a ransom note on site, would it sway anyone's opinion one way or the other? Would it make the case for kidnapping stronger? Was the sheriff's assertion that she "was taken from her bed" an unfortunate metaphor or a Freudian slip?

JMO.
 
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If it was a neighbor, worker, or associate, what would be the motive? Just wanted her dead? Robbery doesn't appear to be the case, and the ransom is secondary and not the original perp(s) imo. If they wanted money, robbery would make a lot more sense than this weird ransom scenario.

Edit: in response to ideas that someone that knew her killed her. Obviously hoping that isn't the case.
 
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It's possible LE recovered male DNA from a doorknob. May or may not be from a perpetrator. IMO they'd need to match it because, if nothing else, it leaves a question mark for BARD.

Depending on where DNA was recovered from, it may be more or less likely that it was left in the commission of the crime. Plenty of less nefarious reasons for DNA to be found in her home, even a contractor or service provider on his way out the door.

If it's a lead or a loose end, I hope it indicates movement toward prosecution.

JMO
 
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It’s always important to keep an open mind when you’re following a criminal investigation, especially when details are scarce, and facts are disputed.

The longer this investigation goes on, the greater the possibility that initial suspicions and theories may be off base.

I’m still leaning a particular way, but it remains entirely possible that other options are in play. Namely, someone on the periphery of Nancy’s circle being involved.

Cases like that aren’t unprecedented. Here are two examples where someone outside the immediate family circle was ultimately responsible:

-Vermont (2024): 82-yr-old Roberta Martin was murdered by her 23-yr-old neighbor. He moved her body into nearby woods and burned/concealed her remains to destroy evidence and buy time before she was found.

-California (Paso Robles, 2018): 62-yr-old Nancy Woodrum was killed by a painter/worker who had access to her property. He transported her body to a remote area and dumped it. She was initially treated as a missing person until he led police to her remains.
Very helpful comments. I'm still leaning the same way but, at this point, there is so much that LE has chosen not to reveal that it's hard to know what might have happened here. Good reminder to keep an open mind and just follow the clues as we hear of them.
 
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Yes this makes sense. I was looking at this from public statement point of view. No one is posting on social media that they know AG would never hurt anyone. No media outlet has had some neighbor on saying they always saw NG, AG, and SIL having a great time together.

This is one of the most media covered cases I've seen in a while and yet zero interviews by the media. Nancy Grace would have had half the world on by now making character statements. I haven't even seen a viral Facebook screenshot yet of anyone giving their opinion who knows them or even lives near them.
Members of the media including her NBC colleagues and people like her close friend Jake Tapper at CNN have admitted that it’s disconcerting and unusual to cover a colleague’s personal tragedy. No doubt they are treading more carefully.

I am a former journalist and trust me, colleagues definitely are treated differently if they or their family members experience troubles.
 
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I hadn't seen this before! You can bet "Debra M" of whatever company has been contacted by LE! I can't identify anything other than her name.
Looks like a private investigator. I think I can read "xxxxx Investigator" as well as "Adult Protective..."

The email at bottom right appears to end in .gov

I assume this was left by one of the detectives?
 
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Is it a sure thing that the perp is male not female?
 
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Thanks for posting this, @MassGuy.

I must admit this information kind of makes me less confident about possible investment of SIL.
What is your own opinion?
I think that theory is still the most likely based on statistics and some things we’ve seen (house searches, some signs of a focused investigation).

But I’m open to a scenario like I posted.
 
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Sheriff admits missteps in Nancy Guthrie disappearance investigation​

If he had the chance to do it over, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said he would have handled aspects of the investigation into 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie's disappearance differently

 
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If it was a neighbor, worker, or associate, what would be the motive? Just wanted her dead? Robbery doesn't appear to be the case, and the ransom is secondary and not the original perp(s) imo. If they wanted money, robbery would make a lot more sense than this weird ransom scenario.
Sexual assault? While I don't think this is what happened, anything is possible and there are many crimes of violence. Also, it's possible the ransom people are unrelated to the people who took NG.
 
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Members of the media including her NBC colleagues and people like her close friend Jake Tapper at CNN have admitted that it’s disconcerting and unusual to cover a colleague’s personal tragedy. No doubt they are treading more carefully.

I am a former journalist and trust me, colleagues definitely are treated differently if they or their family members experience troubles.
I can understand this. It just still seems odd to not have even social media posts from people who know them (NG/AG).

Though I could see the circle being told to stay quiet because of the national coverage
 
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