• #16,721
Many of us live in dark communities here as there are observatories around. Also, the area NG lived in is not known for crime.
Studies show that streetlights do not prevent accidents or crime. One such study is at this link: https://jech.bmj.com/content/69/11/1118

We don't have streetlights in Tucson and that's never seemed to have been an issue. Much better for the observatories. Because many houses in wealthier neighborhoods in Tucson are spread apart and set back from the road, the ring cameras don't necessarily capture cars or people on the street.
 
  • #16,722
Since we are allowed to link to Fox- a good summary of the technological sources of evidence.


I am also wondering if there are fire-tower cameras pointed at this neighborhood that might have seen headlights at that time.
 
  • #16,723
Back when I thought NG was missing from the actual physical church, I asked the question how was she supposed to get there? Who was picking her up? Why didn't that set off the alarm when she didn't answer the door, what with the blood apparent at the house door. Or maybe she was still driving although that doesn't seem likely. So I have the same question: how was she getting to the the friend's house?
Did LEcheck out the Uber drivers, like the one who took her to AG’s home the night of her disappearance.
Nothing against Uber drivers, I’m glad we have them. But I have heard some hair raising stories of rape and robberies with Uber drivers.
After all, they are just people.
My son uses Uber a lot and feels it’s very safe. Of course, he can handle himself I am sure. Me on the other hand? Not so much.
 
  • #16,724
  • #16,725
I have two jobs and two houses and kids and am roughly the same age as TC. I still help out with my moms pool and other things (provided it's equally close). At the very least I'd think he'd come by to manage subs and bids and help with things. I wouldn't leave a health compromised 84 year old to get job estimates and oversee work of contractors, and she supposedly had her entire roof re-sealed, sealing (roof and driveway) is a classic rip off quote scam done by low end contractors (a job that would take a few people and a decent amount of time)

As to her health you don;t think a person with a pacemaker and is on" life sustaining meds" as described by the police and SG is sick??? Yes, she is health compromised and elderly and your own statement points out "SG stressed her fragile health" which is not a ploy but a fact. Her own family described her as an "elderly lady that can't walk more than 50 yards". She's almost 90 with a freakin pacemaker and high blood pressure!
I’m thinking once the workers are set up on a schedule SIL would not need to be involved, unless there was an issue to discuss.
JMO
 
  • #16,726
"[NG] was supposed to go to a friend's house on the morning she went missing to watch the church service being streamed online, a source told NBC News. When she didn't arrive, friends notified her family that she was not there."
Well now that makes sense. Now I understand how she could be livestreaming a service, and people would notice her missing. Why did it take so long for this to come out?
 
  • #16,727
It’s always important to keep an open mind when you’re following a criminal investigation, especially when details are scarce, and facts are disputed.

The longer this investigation goes on, the greater the possibility that initial suspicions and theories may be off base.

I’m still leaning a particular way, but it remains entirely possible that other options are in play. Namely, someone on the periphery of Nancy’s circle being involved.

Cases like that aren’t unprecedented. Here are two examples where someone outside the immediate family circle was ultimately responsible:

-Vermont (2024): 82-yr-old Roberta Martin was murdered by her 23-yr-old neighbor. He moved her body into nearby woods and burned/concealed her remains to destroy evidence and buy time before she was found.

-California (Paso Robles, 2018): 62-yr-old Nancy Woodrum was killed by a painter/worker who had access to her property. He transported her body to a remote area and dumped it. She was initially treated as a missing person until he led police to her remains.
 
  • #16,728
Back when I thought NG was missing from the actual physical church, I asked the question how was she supposed to get there? Who was picking her up? Why didn't that set off the alarm when she didn't answer the door, what with the blood apparent at the house door. Or maybe she was still driving although that doesn't seem likely. So I have the same question: how was she getting to the the friend's house?
She was driving in the day only
JMO
 
  • #16,729
Right? The first info was a “church friend” called NG, then AG. In timeline, out of timeline?
Yesterday, MK revealed NG was actually in an in-person church watch group, where she usually went to someone’s home, to watch together, in a small group.
JMO
Starkville said:
As one of the people obsessed with the “churchgoer call”, I’m observing the latest explanation with a grain of salt. It answers questions but introduces others (for me, at least), which I won’t get into unless others care to discuss.

Why was all this hidden?
**
Agree. The "churchgoer call" seemed significant to me because if family said that's why they went to NG's house and then there's no record of such a call to them, this is a huge red flag.

Many of us have lots of possible theories about all of us, but the huge question for me is as Starkville said, "Why was all of this hidden?". LE hasn't mentioned it since their first presser, took it off their initial timeline and no information been revealed about any of this. MO
 
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  • #16,730
Great! Thank you much for posting this. I am posting a general fact sheet/ working sheet and would like to include your post, if that’s okay?

Cheers,
Nin
Of course. Everything is fair game.
 
  • #16,731
I am sharing my work sheet/ fact sheet with anyone who is interested. Please feel free to correct/ fill in as needed. I am updating it daily and will post the updated version. Thanks!

Cheers,
Nin

Nancy Guthrie Key Points of Investigation/ Work sheet /Fact sheet

02-10-2026 Regular updates/corrections following daily


Core Investigative Question

  • Is the victim actually dead? (Ruling out voluntary disappearance by checking bank accounts, phone records, social security usage, and routine habits).

  • Who is a suspect / the prime suspect and what was their motive? (Identifying personal, financial, or emotional triggers).


  • Where and when did the disappearance occur? (Establishing a timeline from the last known sighting and analyzing surveillance or digital evidence).


  • Is there evidence of "incompatible with life" circumstances? (Locating significant blood, brain matter, or signs of intense violence at the scene)


  • What was the suspect doing before and after the disappearance?(Online searches/ how to..locations..tech or ITR related..forensic cleaning..unusual travel).


  • What was the victim's state of mind and immediate future plans? (Determining if it was out of character to disappear, leaving behind essential items like wallets or keys).


Key Focus Areas for Evidence

  • Digital Footprints: Cell phone tower pings, text messages, internet searches, cams


  • Forensic Evidence: Bloodstain analysis, DNA, burn residue indicating a struggle or a disposal.


  • Witness Statements: Reconstructing the last known movements of both the victim and possible suspects


  • Cleanup Efforts: Evidence of cleaning, painting, or replacing carpets shortly after the disappearance.


Evidence

Physical:

  1. Blood drops/ stains in main entry outside front door matching NG’s DNA
  2. Removed doorbell camera from front door, not in possession
  3. Multiple cameras around the property have been disabled or destroyed
  4. Pair of outside floodlights disabled/destroyed
  5. Back door broken in, left open

Digital:

1. Garage Door opens and closes at app 21:48 SAT 01-31-26 and

closes at app 21:50 SAT 01-31-26

2. Doorbell camera disconnects at 1:47 MON 02-01-26

3. Camera software detects motion at 2:12 MON 02-01-26

4. NG’s pacemaker app stops disconnects from her phone at 2:28

SUN 02-01-26, pacemaker usually syncs with her phone.

5. Camera found on NG’s roof facing the inside yard, collected as

evidence


Items left behind:

1. NG’s cell phone

2. NG’s Apple Watch

3. NG’s Medication


Ransom notes:

1. TMZ app on 02/03/26 (demands)

2. KOLD app on 02/02/26 (demands) and app on 02/06/26 (no demands)

3. KGUN app on 02/02/26


Timeline according to PIMA County Sheriff Chris Nano:

  • January 31, 5:32 p.m.: Nancy Guthrie took an Uber to her daughter Annie’s home for dinner and games; the driver, cleared as a suspect, provided cooperative video footage.
  • 9:48 p.m.: Family dropped her off at home; garage door opened and closed by 9:50 p.m.
  • February 1, 1:47 a.m.: Doorbell camera went offline, erasing live feed.
  • 2:12 a.m.: Camera software detected motion—initially thought to be a person but possibly an animal; no video recoverable.
  • 2:28 a.m.: Pacemaker app disconnected from her phone, suggesting she was moved or incapacitated.
  • 11:56 a.m.: Family checked after she missed church - online church meeting - and found her gone.
  • 12:03 p.m.: 911 call placed; deputies arrived by 12:15 p.m., launching the investigation.
Adding MassGuy’s post (thank you!)
 
  • #16,732
IMG_0365.webp

I seen this last week . Has anyone read or heard anything about the business card seen here at NG’s door?
 
  • #16,733
Back when I thought NG was missing from the actual physical church, I asked the question how was she supposed to get there? Who was picking her up? Why didn't that set off the alarm when she didn't answer the door, what with the blood apparent at the house door. Or maybe she was still driving although that doesn't seem likely. So I have the same question: how was she getting to the the friend's house?

NG still drove, so it could be she was going to drive herself to the friend’s home.

This article said she “sometimes picks up at school and watches” her grandson, so to me that sounds like she still drives.
jmo
 
  • #16,734
I still feel like the actual, unredacted 911 call (not the dispatch that they released), would tell us if there was a ransom note on site. I imagine that the 911 caller would've included that info in the call. To my knowledge LE hasn't indicated one way or the other if a ransom note was there, but they did state that it was clearly a crime scene.

JMO.
 
  • #16,735
Not sure if this is an approved "Source" but think it is relevant to the discussion.

Bezalel Eithan Raviv, the CEO and founder of Lionsgate Network — a crypto recovery service with expertise in Blockchain forensics — spoke with Page Six about how the criminal could be traced with the right resources.

“He showed his Achilles to everyone who understands blockchain forensics,” Raviv told Page Six Monday of Guthrie’s alleged abductor.

With his own clients facing fraud, the Israeli tech entrepreneur explained that the strategy is to send a small amount to the crypto wallet to “see where it lands.”

When asked whether he believes there is a possibility that Guthrie is still alive, Raviv, who has reached out to investigators to offer his services, told us he can only hope.

 
  • #16,736
  • #16,737
It’s always important to keep an open mind when you’re following a criminal investigation, especially when details are scarce, and facts are disputed.

The longer this investigation goes on, the greater the possibility that initial suspicions and theories may be off base.

I’m still leaning a particular way, but it remains entirely possible that other options are in play. Namely, someone on the periphery of Nancy’s circle being involved.

Cases like that aren’t unprecedented. Here are two examples where someone outside the immediate family circle was ultimately responsible:

-Vermont (2024): 82-yr-old Roberta Martin was murdered by her 23-yr-old neighbor. He moved her body into nearby woods and burned/concealed her remains to destroy evidence and buy time before she was found.

-California (Paso Robles, 2018): 62-yr-old Nancy Woodrum was killed by a painter/worker who had access to her property. He transported her body to a remote area and dumped it. She was initially treated as a missing person until he led police to her remains.
I hope they find NG’s body soon, per cases noted, finding body was key to solving cases.
JMO
 
  • #16,738
Back when I thought NG was missing from the actual physical church, I asked the question how was she supposed to get there? Who was picking her up? Why didn't that set off the alarm when she didn't answer the door, what with the blood apparent at the house door. Or maybe she was still driving although that doesn't seem likely. So I have the same question: how was she getting to the the friend's house?
Maybe she usually drove herself. She may have been one of the many seniors who avoid driving at night. But both the trip there and the trip back would've been during daytime hours.

JMO
 
  • #16,739
It’s always important to keep an open mind when you’re following a criminal investigation, especially when details are scarce, and facts are disputed.

The longer this investigation goes on, the greater the possibility that initial suspicions and theories may be off base.

I’m still leaning a particular way, but it remains entirely possible that other options are in play. Namely, someone on the periphery of Nancy’s circle being involved.

Cases like that aren’t unprecedented. Here are two examples where someone outside the immediate family circle was ultimately responsible:

-Vermont (2024): 82-yr-old Roberta Martin was murdered by her 23-yr-old neighbor. He moved her body into nearby woods and burned/concealed her remains to destroy evidence and buy time before she was found.

-California (Paso Robles, 2018): 62-yr-old Nancy Woodrum was killed by a painter/worker who had access to her property. He transported her body to a remote area and dumped it. She was initially treated as a missing person until he led police to her remains.
This is such a good point. Speaking for myself, I'm questioning my own "really solid" theories now.
 
  • #16,740
I’m thinking once the workers are set up on a schedule SIL would not need to be involved, unless there was an issue to discuss.
JMO
Money was not an issue for NG. It is logical to think that for many jobs she had regular staff that did those jobs..pool being one that is often best handled by a professional company. Did TC organize some of this for sure. Did he or AG come over and deal with the small issues..yes for sure. I think there was a lot of back and forth from the two homes and they helped NG. SIL is a full time teacher, parent and apparently member of a band.
 
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