• #17,801
the light above the perp does not appear to be on. is it the camera lens that is giving us the clear lighted pic, bc perp seems to be shining a flashlight at the camera.
 
  • #17,802
There was a full or close to a full moon that night. Moon provides tons of light in Tucson and one doesn't need to turn on lights to walk outside. Interesting why they used the flashlight - a step, better see how to get the nest cam off the door or . . .

There have been plenty of nights when there’s been a full moon and I have still tripped over step or bumps in the road/path that I just didn’t see. Especially when you’re tall.
 
  • #17,803
Guys, please don't post "enhanced" images you've come across online, or ask AI to enhance them.

People have been doing this in every case lately, and all it does is generate an image that looks absolutely nothing like reality.
 
  • #17,804
....how did he get in?
 
  • #17,805
This is also a very clear image of the mouth makes it more certain to me that this was somebody that either actually has facial hair or had some sort of fake facial hair as a disguise.
I commented on this photo as well and it does not seem to be there anymore? You look back and see if that photo you were looking at is missing?
 
  • #17,806
I don’t know. We have seen many perps prepared, who are not professionals. Sex predators. Stalkers. People murdering an ex or whatever. They come with masks, rope, etc.

Totally understand where you're coming from and generally concur, but this guy is on another level altogether, IMO. He was brazen, methodical, and deliberate. And appears he knew exactly whose house this was, that she was inside, and that he was leaving with her. And almost certainly with a preplanned purpose.

Random actors aren't likely to bring a bag of tools to remove an 84 year old woman from her home. They're going to do what they are going to do and leave her there, for the most part. Family members too.

It should also be noted that it is highly unlikely that a family member would hire someone to kill her and then remove her. No body means no inheritance.

JMO.
 
  • #17,807
Seems female and about average height for a woman and 10-15 extra pounds. Good clues with their posture, gait, clothing, backpack, possible glasses, bizarre gun/holster...
when I open carry , that's how I wear it. It's a lot easier for me if I had to use it. On the hip would require me to reach for it that is uncomfortable for me . Also I have it in my head it would be easier for someone to disarm me from the hip.(female)
 
  • #17,808
I have boys in the 20s and they move so much more smoothly. They don't bend over like that to pick something up. But the backpack perhaps is heavy?
Could be the backpack or gun / holster impacting the way they bend over, but the way they bend over could possibly be something important. Even with a heavy backpack, the way they are bending over might remind somebody who bends over like this and might help identify this person.
 
  • #17,809
Haven't seen this mentioned yet but given we know what the door looked like the next morning & there was blood on the stoop, did this entry maybe not work out and he went around to the back door that was allegedly left open? Remember, NG wore hearing aids and those were still at the home so I suspect hearing something at the door in a house that large would not be easy for NG
Some folks charge their hearing aids at night.
 
  • #17,810
I think it's two masks.
Do you mean a 'mask' with a fake face, and then the ski mask over it? That would disguise the real face altogether....
 
  • #17,811
I just can't get over the fact that the day before Nancy was taken, 2 hours away in Scottsdale, two teens with supplies, disguises, and tools committed a home invasion demanding 66 million in crypto. And were instructed and paid to do so by anonymous masterminds(allegedly). Then the next day some guy/girl shows up at a home in another Arizona city, also with supplies and a disuise, also at night, kidnaps Nancy, and ransom notes demand 6 million in crypto.

Coincidences and oddities happen sometimes, but I can't get over that.
Two very different scenarios and situations. Likely not related IMO
 
  • #17,812
To me this whole scenario probably points away from SIL.

However, I think this is a big man featured. Look at the height in relation to the arch.

Also, this is black and white/ night vision, so tints may be reversed a bit.

And regarding other posts saying eyebrows not being bushy and eyes appearing feminine, the mask and the lighting/footage both obscure and distort images.

We can’t see anything but a line of the eyebrows, from what I have seen.
BBM above
To be fair - the only info that pointed to the SIL was Ashleigh Banfield quoting her very top level source. And she did qualify it but that was definitely played down. I was actually shocked we were able to consider him a suspect since not labeled as such by LE.
Lots of tunnel vision.
He may still be involved OR NOT ,but at least we know she made it home - she was not poisioned at dinner etc. etc etc

This is very good info

JMO
 
  • #17,813
Exactly what I thought. I have seen men with dark eyelashes look similar. I think his eyes are small and wide set? If someone can get the perfect screenshot, I think it could show his nose in profile. I just cannot get it.

Also, does thos person have reflectors above the backpack strap padding?
I know people joke about JD Vance wearing eyeliner but sometimes people just have eyes that make it look like they are wearing makeup and I think when this subject is caught, he might have eyes that look like that too. I can't tell if it's the eyes, eyelashes or maybe groomed eyebrows that give off that feminine look but the body definitely looks like a dude.
 
  • #17,814
When he removed the camera, where did he put it? I know it's small, but the backpack is already full.

Please someone recognize this monster.

JML
This guy came prepared. Someone paid him to do this, don’t you think? It wouldn’t be just a break in or rape the way he is loaded down. Maybe someone wanted her out of the way? Maybe there really was a ransom but she passed and they can’t deliver?
 
  • #17,815
IMO those are reflective strips on the backpack. The camera likely switched to infrared because it was dark. IMO

yes, on the shoulders those reflective backpack strips.

but in the middle, it's a flashlight. you can see it's illuminated in the middle of their chest in the first screenshot and then it's off in the second screenshot, after they have looked down and made sure there's nothing in their path. you can see it better when they're moving in the video.
 
  • #17,816
I got that also I just read dear debbie,maybe she won garden of the year and someone jealous?
it just occurred to me that the light we are seeing is coming from the camera quality. perp had a flashlight so the porch must have been dark.
perhaps holding up the flowers was meant to block NG from seeing who or what was out there.
 
  • #17,817
Mine lights up when it begins recording.

So if hers is like yours, he could've technically been seen by someone then, and he didn't react to that with fear or anxiety or retreat. He pressed on.

JMO.
 
  • #17,818
Good points. I do wonder if the Uber driver would have recollection of whether NG was wearing the watch or whether the apple watch itself could provide LE info on its path on the day of the missing event? The disconnection of the apple watch from the pacemaker and the time that is reported to have occurred is something that I'm trying to understand. I would think that the apple watch could provide its location to LE at the time of disconnection and we haven't heard this info from LE and this question wasn't asked at one of the press conferences so far.

I still question if NG ever returned home and what we saw yesterday with LE returning at night and taking pictures at AG house was to prove out the narrative (or not) as to NG being returned home by her SIL as I believe was previously reported.

Wow I just discovered that the Arizona DPS website lists an approximate time the family was alerted that Nancy had not shown up for church. (Online services at her friend's home we now know)

"At approximately 12:15 on 02/01/2026, family was alerted that Nancy had not shown up for church."


If this time is right then this would mean that LE has info that the family was "looking" for Nancy BEFORE the friend's alert went out.

This may be why the time of the friend's contact was left off of the February 5th presser because they would have had to state that the time the family started looking for Nancy 11:56 a.m. and the time the family contacted Police 12:03 p.m. was BEFORE the friend's alert at approximately 12:15 p.m.
NG Tuson family was alerted at 11:10am about doing welfare check on NG, and it was not until a little after Noon that Tucson daughter called 911. That's a lot of time imo. The Good Shepherd New York digital church service is at 11am eastern time, so 9am Tucson time. I wonder what time NG and friends watched the digital service? If exactly 9am Tucson time, then perhaps friends waited until digital service ended and then maybe finished like breakfast before calling Tucson daughter to alert NG was a no show.
 
  • #17,819
The interesting thing is, that this means there is likely other images we aren’t seeing. The authorities know MUCH more than we do at this point. Cheers to the private sector consultants that made this possible!
 
  • #17,820
Do you mean a 'mask' with a fake face, and then the ski mask over it? That would disguise the real face altogether....
Even a brand-new stocking worn over the face and then another ski mask and another on top would definitely alter the bridge of the nose and the shape of the ears...our ears are very distinctive. Aside from fingerprints, they are very good for recognizing people, except not everyone looks at ears.
 
Chapter 1/4

Guardians Monthly Goal

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
155
Guests online
2,561
Total visitors
2,716

Forum statistics

Threads
644,428
Messages
18,817,031
Members
245,351
Latest member
COLDANDMISSINGCANADA
Top