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Ah, thank you... I was wondering if the pulling of the flowers and leaving them on the porch had a meaning.

The trailing lantana symbolizes endurance and tenacity. I don't think it means anything to the perpetrators in this context, but it certainly has proven meaningful to SG's family...they've definitely needed tons of both at this time.
Trailing lantana doesnt symbolize anything except: It's easy to grow where it's 100 degrees and it also blooms. That's why I have it. It's probably ubiquitous in Tucson. It's ubiquitous here in South Texas.

It's more or less a utilitarian plant. (As are many that grow in the desert)
 
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It's possible they were hesitant to release the images/video with the ransom note and the Monday deadline. Since that has passed, they now felt comfortable releasing it.

Ding ding ding! This happened the very next morning after the last ransom deadline passed.
 
  • #17,963
Regardless, big Kudos to the technicians who were able to retrieve video from a missing camera that did not have a subscription to the web that actually saves it. How the ^%$# did they do that????

Their forensic abilities are mind blowing.
Because google retains all data. Data is saved to the cloud. The cloud is a server farm. FBI has access. The government has access. They execute a search using queries and parameters like date/time stamps and location.
 
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Does anyone know if LE has stated the time the pictures of the suspect were taken? There should be a time stamp. I was wondering if he was already in her home or if he was told when she would arrive?
0147 morning of abduction
 
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Does anyone know if LE has stated the time the pictures of the suspect were taken? There should be a time stamp. I was wondering if he was already in her home or if he was told when she would arrive?
Here’s the timeline from their presser.

Likely began around 1:45 or so.

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  • #17,967
To be fair, I could know that person and I would never have recognized them. That whole mask obscures too many features.
There are a group of people who have what’s called Super Facial Recognition, and those people might be able to recognize who this is. Some people have the opposite, where they can’t recognize anyone. It’s just how we are made!
 
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Some observations after initial look at pics & vid...

1) We do have some answers now...how the flower stems got on the porch and that NG's blood was not there prior to these pics.
2) Currently I think this was his initial approach to the house - might change that opinion later - but previously I thought entry might have been elsewhere and he stood inside the doorway to remove this camera - now I don't think he was in the back yard first.
3) My doorbell camera (Ring) sounds an alert when motion is detected. I am now wondering whether NG may have been asleep and heard that alert that someone was at her front door and instead of checking the phone she just went to the front door and was assaulted there. (If so, it is possible that was actually caught on the camera before it was removed and they just aren't releasing it or discussing it.)
4) I agree this guy had a mustache but that doesn't necessarily mean he still has one today.
5) I've never seen anyone wear a holster quite like that. I know the guy on NBC has said it is an appendix carry but typically that is a holster that is tucked inside the pants - clips on to the belt or pants from the other side. This appears to be a hip holster being worn as an appendix carry on the outside. Not sure how to properly explain that but what I'm trying to say is that on a hip holster usually the clip is on the side toward the body and an appendix carry it is usually on the side away from the body. I've never seen anyone wear an appendix holster on the outside of their clothing like that - nor dangling down in front of the pelvic area like that - typically worn inside the clothing and up higher so it won't interfere with walking or sitting. Hopefully someone will recognize this holster especially if this guy is known to have worn it oddly like this.
6) Someone somewhere saw him with that backpack or jacket or ski mask - maybe when purchased - maybe in a hotel lobby or campground or gas station. I really hope the release of these pics leads to some tips that lead to some answers soon.

There's more running thru my mind but that's it for me for at least a few hours - I really do have to get some work done. I know this thread will move quickly this afternoon and no way will I be able to catch up and read everything but I'll pop in and out and read some of your insights as time allows. It was hard to see this man at her door knowing that she has now been missing for 10 days but I am glad to finally know they have something to go on.
This guy has had 10 days to get away, he could be anywhere. I don’t know what to think about why he targeted N. If ransom isn’t the reason, then what is? Why take her at all?
 
  • #17,969
And infrared tends to flip tints. Dark colors can appear light and light can appear dark. You see that in cop cars when people are arrested and put in the back of a police car. Brunettes appear blonde and vice versa.
So the dark mustache and soul patch could be blonde?
 
  • #17,970
Didn’t even have to destroy the camera. Covering it with tape would work…but alas person brought none. Then backtracks on camera to show gait (which will help determine height) and shoes, which can lead to shoe size from size of tiles. Not a thorough plan-ahead or during. Did they think a ski mask and gloves would be enough? Happy to realize this criminal slipped up, as I was starting to feel it was super powers were involved. Or the luck of the Irish.
My Nest camera would have detected this person right as they approached the porch area. It would be too late to tape it up as a cover. Same with my security camera on the back of my house.
 
  • #17,971
I have no theories, I just feel so bad for Nancy Guthrie. I had been doubting a possible kidnapping but seeing these images and videos is so heartbreaking. She must have been so, so scared. I truly can't imagine someone doing this to an 84 year old woman with mobility issues. If she is no longer with us, I hope it quick and painless. It's hard to believe she's still alive but if she is, I hope she's holding up as best she can and isn't suffering.
 
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The mouth looks extremely off. I don’t think this is the perpetrators actual mouth. There is a further level of concealment going on.
Here is do not see eyebrows at all. It looks like the shadow from the top of the mask eyehole.
 
  • #17,974
Definitely wearing shoes

Definitely small light in mouth - see it close up and when he walks up

Definitely male

This is wild
I’m a hiker and the shoes look like a light-colored hiking or trail boot, low to mid height, with a rounded toe. Most of the big hiking brands make something similar (Merrill Moab, Keen Targhee, or Salomon X ultra).
 
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Does it seem to anyone else like he's (I'm going to assume HIM) wearing two different gloves on each hand. The one gripping the gun seems to have pronounced fingers but the one closest to the camera almost looks like a boxing glove with no pronounced fingers.
At least thats how it looks to me
He's wearing what looks like black nitrile or vinyl gloves over some other more padded gloves.
 
  • #17,979
Does anyone know if LE has stated the time the pictures of the suspect were taken? There should be a time stamp. I was wondering if he was already in her home or if he was told when she would arrive?
1:47 a.m. was reported.
 
  • #17,980
Because google retains all data. Data is saved to the cloud. The cloud is a server farm. FBI has access. The government has access.
As someone who has been on the receiving side of federal law enforcement subpoenas at a major tech company.... no. Not all data is retained, and the government does not have access (except to the data that is handed over as part of a subpoena or similar legal process).

If we want to talk about the NSA and Snowden and all of that, it's a different conversation (not on-topic here at all). But for purposes of this case, and federal law enforcement investigating a murder and/or kidnapping, there is no direct government access to that data, and the data is not globally retained forever. (Just trying to avoid perpetuation of conspiracy theories...)
 
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