AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Gemmie]

Yes, the plant at the door also looks like lantana. Doubt it was part of an arrangement.

It's weird that they're so close to the door and not next the the sidewalk. It would seem "juvenile" "immature" to cut a few lantana stems and pass them off as a "gift". Yet, there are people who do this with lantana. (There are little kids who pick mine) I wouldn't expect Nancy to do this. I wouldn't expect another homeowner to do this.

It's almost as if someone came to the door with these in their hand to lure someone out. MOO MOO

Thanks for your observation....

Image source: https://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/5275540/guthrie-home-01/

I further cropped the pic you posted to make an observation (which likely has been brought up but there's no way I can keep up with the speed this thread is going).

My observation is this...

1) It's very "splattery" in this further cropped pic. I'm talking about the teeny-tiny splatters that look like speckles, not the larger drops:

2) The blood appears to start at that spot. IOW, I believe she was likely punched in the face and perhaps that might be from a nose bleed, and boy can noses bleed. I came to that conclusion because there isn't any visible blood on the step.

So she made it that far, then what happened to make her bleed? Also, those torn plants right there. Was she drug away and she tried to grab on to anything? Even if that's the case, why did those plants end up exactly where they are? It's not like they were inside the house and got drug out through the door. That would make sense of their placement but that's not the case here.

If she was hit in the face or head, and has mobility issues, she likely went down. Brick isn't forgiving. Thankfully there isn't a blood smear on that step cuz that could really cause a bad head injury.

Image source: https://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/5275540/guthrie-home-01/

So, if 'stuff went down' on her porch... why did it start there? Did the person ring her doorbell or knock on her door? Maybe saying something like "Fire department!" to get her to come to the door? I've tried Googling to see if there was a struggle inside the house and as I said... I just can't keep up with y'all!

And do we (i.e. - You all) know if she actually ever made it into the house after being "dropped off"?

 

[MarciB]

I am curious about who was set up w/ the alerts as well. I'm assuming it was to her phone, but it could have even been to her daughters (my elderly neighbors kids set up ring cams for their parents who have health issues and they get the alerts and can see their parents come and go etc).

If the skell removed the Ring cam physically (the Nest cams were reported to be "disabled" or destroyed) it could still be transmitting in a bag or pocket and even a shift in movement could push a "person detected". I've moved Ring battery Floodlight cams live from one spot to another and this can happen.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much sophistication on both ends; meaning NG house was a casual homeowner basic installed system (two brands, Ring and Nest, no subscription/cloud --it's $99!, no real serious effort) and the "kidnappers" seemed to be amateur hour as well.

it is mind boggling that she didn't pay the subscription for the cameras. These were Google nest associated with ADT. I have ring cameras so maybe a little different setup, but you still have to pay some type of subscription to store the video

 

[MarciB]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019866916106465434

FYI, everyone, Brian Entin has a new video (filmed yesterday after the presser). It is very good and informative

 

[tbgo]

Have they said anything about tire tracks left behind? Maybe that’s why they were allegedly looking at the sister vehicle.

 

[dalsglen]

50 pages behind now!

Can you folks all go take an extended coffee/lunch/dinner/wine/beer/hoover/dust break for us dunces at the back!

SHUT UPPPPPPP lol, yes you, you know you're guilty of not dusting that cobweb up to your right, yes THAT ONE, go do it now, go onnnnnnn.....

 

[HoveringWombats]

I get what you are saying. Perhaps the kidnappers thought ok, we will send a ransom letter that is professional looking, well constructed, good grammar, address ahead most upcoming questions. Their thought, trying for credibility, the kidnappers will be perceived as “ honest enough

I don't really think of it about honesty or believability. Just "we have one shot to send this without too much risk of getting caught, so we have to make sure we say everything that we need to say right now" (because each additional message dramatically increases the risk that they'll slip up). And also "they have everything to lose and we have nothing to lose [not really true, of course] so it's on them if they choose to demand stuff back. We're not going to answer." I don't think it's a big stretch to imagine a perp thinking that they can only risk sending one message, and if we believe that, I think the rest makes some degree of sense.

 

[InkyEvie]

Latest from Brian Entin....."something else in the letter"

I think something could be happening behind the scenes with this ransom situation.

The writer of the letter "knows something about NG" and seems to be local to Tucson. This makes me wonder if maybe they know something about her personal habits, like a certain healthcare provider she sees or a store she frequents at a certain time/day regularly, that sort of thing. Something not so easily found on Google.

IMO

 

[connie9030]

It was sent to a local Tucson news station first. Was also sent to another news station (can't remember the name). Then was sent to TMZ on Tuesday.

I think it may be more about accesibility. TMZ has an easy to use tip form and they probably monitor it all the time. I did a quick search of email NBC.. I got a lot of emails come up and it says, depending on your needs.

I have thought that they maybe were concerned the News stations didn't receive the ransom letter, because LE kept saying that there was none. TMZ posted about there copy shortly after the press briefing by the Sheriff on Tuesday.

Part of me hopes the ransom is true and related. However, I feel like in 2025 in the age of information it's not hard to get familiar with an area or person with a quick google search. It really makes me wonder how the letter is worded/what it includes.

JMO

In a real ransom scenario, if the family doesn't pay, the kidnappers usually get louderand more aggressive to show they are serious.

• Going quiet often suggests the kidnappers have abandoned the plan because the "burden" (as you called it) became too much to manage.

Part of me hopes the ransom is true and related. However, I feel like in 2025 in the age of information it's not hard to get familiar with an area or person with a quick google search. It really makes me wonder how the letter is worded/what it includes.

JMO

I was hoping so too but in a real ransom scenario, if the family doesn't pay, don't the kidnappers usually get loud and more aggressive to show they are serious? Going quiet worries me that they have abandoned their plan.

 

[Pharmasgirl]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we don't have an answer on that.

Ditto, we've been waiting...

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I am so jaded, do we really have kidnappers and ransom in these days and times? Would they keep her somewhere this long? It doesn't look good for Nancy

The only time I can think of a kidnap victim being released/escaped was Elizabeth Smart and there was the other young woman can't remember her name (Jaycee??). I know there's other survivors of abduction out there that aren't so high profile but I have a feeling there is no kidnap situation here.

I hope I am wrong and a ransom is met and she's released but it seems so far fetched MOO

 

[txsleuth70]

No one else seems to be reporting this. I watched Ashley Banfield’s video this morning, where she interviewed Brian Entin and asked whether he had seen or heard anything about the car being towed. He said he hadn’t and mentioned that, with people camped out there around the clock, you would think someone would have witnessed it.

Listen to the Sheriff from yesterday's press conference. He said it was searched and towed. He said "it's routine."

 

[stmichael]

it is mind boggling that she didn't pay the subscription for the cameras. These were Google nest associated with ADT. I have ring cameras so maybe a little different setup, but you still have to pay some type of subscription to store the video

Ring cameras subscription was a flat 99 bucks a few years ago. That includes all devices and unlimited cloud storage, PLUS it covers monitoring for their Ring alarm including Police and Fire. I think this may be a case of oversight, where the homeowner lapsed on their cc and was going to "get around to it".

Additionally I think there is a lot of ignorant bliss among elderly people living in their "safe neighborhood". They probably stubbornly thought they didn't need it and one of the elderly neighbors interviewed echoed this sentiment and had some laughably out of touch quotes on security (he'll use a pen and pad to write strange things now and his metal doors protect him)

 

[aafromaa]

Question: Early on, wasn't it reported that homicide was on the scene almost immediately?

Yes it was but 2 things regarding that…

First is that the information came from the Sheriff who has definitely not been clear with the information he conveys.

Second is that the Pima County Sheriff’s department has a Violent Crimes Division. Homicide falls under that division and it wouldn’t be far fetched for him to refer to the whole division as Homicide.

I think it was another unfortunate way the Sheriff has of conveying information rather than them actually thinking that early this was definitely a homicide.

 

[NewMommy09]

I am so jaded, do we really have kidnappers and ransom in these days and times? Would they keep her somewhere this long? It doesn't look good for Nancy

The only time I can think of a kidnap victim being released/escaped was Elizabeth Smart and there was the other young woman can't remember her name (Jaycee??). I know there's other survivors of abduction out there that aren't so high profile but I have a feeling there is no kidnap situation here.

I hope I am wrong and a ransom is met and she's released but it seems so far fetched MOO

Jaycee Dugard is who you're thinking. Also Shawn Hornbeck and others. But those weren't ransom scenarios. All 3 were kept and SA'd throughout captivity and none were released by their captors.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Also, I'm guessing FBI have a full profile for the perp and likely wouldn't release it yet to spook someone.

Very curious their psychological profile of suspect(s).

 

[Alkali13]

Can someone clarify for me? Did I miss where it has been confirmed that nothing else was taken from the house? Or that it didn't seem ransacked? I know we haven't gotten a straight answer on DNA evidence in the house.

 

[txsleuth70]

Exactly...so if they verified it, like they verified the Uber driver, why not include it in the timeline. Isn't it "harmless" then?

IMO they may be giving room or looking for players to change their stories or times or catch them in a lie. (i.e. someone from church supposedly called at 11:00...but it's not on the timeline.)

 

[stmichael]

I am so jaded, do we really have kidnappers and ransom in these days and times? Would they keep her somewhere this long? It doesn't look good for Nancy

Sadly it's quite common along the border for small sums (50k etc.)

Many border towns on the US side (TX, AZ, NM) have US citizens kidnapped for ransom and brought into Mexico. You can google tons of articles that range from young women, to prominent town figures etc. The US Dept of State has an advisory on it.

 

[Alkali13]

I’m not sure if this has been mentioned, but why send a ransom demand through TMZ ? Why not NBC, for instance, or FOX, CNN, Etc ? Isn’t TMZ more of a sensationalist news program ? Idk, I remember it being like that a while ago.

It is, which is exactly why they would immediately report on it.

 

[MinnesotaMary]

Based on what I've read, at this point in time it seems to me - IMO - that a little group took Ms. G and thought by leaving those blood splashes, and the watch, the kidnappers thought SG would pay the ransom in Bitcoin. But SG chose not to pay the demanded-ransom. IMO No Way would the little kidnapper group engage in any ' communication' with SG. SG didn't pay and so little kidnapper group didn't get their payout. Little kidnapper group moves on to their next crime.