AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I'm about to vent a spleen here.

If this car is in any way connected to her disappearance, Sheriff should go ahead and put in his papers for retirement.

I'm no math whiz, but that crime scene has been held and released X3 already, by my last count.

I can hear the defense's claims of evidence being planted ringing in my ears already.

JMO.
The sheriff's investigation and particularly his press conferences have been rightly criticized. He even said at times that he wished he handled some stuff differently. The FBI should have taken over earlier.

IMO this is a weird case cause the "kidnapping" was weird and sloppy and so has been the police investigation..
 
  • #7,942
Live feed. On the roof, Front and Back yard. Showing searchers with flashlights other areas. 45 minutes, not an hour. No one else covered this.
Do you have any thoughts on what appeared to be blankets laying across the bench?
 
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I want this to be a successful ransom received, victim released but it doesn’t make sense to me. Why wouldn’t they leave a ransom note in the house for her family to find when they check on her? Tell them to not contact the police and pay the ransom and then it’s done with no publicity?
SBM

Maybe they didn’t leave a written note due to potential fingerprints or DNA?
 
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Hard to grapple with the fact this could be some sort of more “normal” crime by someone NG knew, and this whole ransom angle could be bunk. We could have an unknown true predator, a smart ransom scammer, and a dumb ransom scammer (arrested). It doesn’t sit well with me that there seemingly (to our knowledge and not implied by KOLD) hasn’t been any transmission of “something only Nancy would know” as means of sharing proof of life in text form only…
Was Just thinking this exact thing-
3 separate events!?😳 The first ransom note was not delivered until Monday evening I think… after news that she was taken Sunday. Could it be a horrible crime against Nancy occurred, then a separate, opportunistic ransom demand? Then rounding out this mess: the idiot scammer. Poor Nancy. Whatever happened to her is a thing of nightmares.
 
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i keep checking back here hoping for a break in the case. might have to disconnect until there's any big news. i hope there will be some soon.
 
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I think well written could actually be a good clue if these are real ransom letters. IMO, well written implies good grammar and proper punctuation.

This could mean a few things:
1. English is difficult to learn as a second language unless you started young because we structure our sentences differently than other languages. They would be able to tell if English was a second language pretty easily.
2. They could determine age range of writer. Younger millennials and Gen Z write completely different than other generations because they grew up with a computer in their house. They’re more likely to use shorthand and acronyms.
3. They could determine education level based on how well written letters are. (Their, there, they’re).
4. They can determine region of origin in the US based on differences in how we refer to certain things (casita vs guest house/ sidewalk vs walkway/ highway vs. freeway, etc.).

They most likely have already developed a profile of who they think they’re looking for based on how these ransom letters are written if they believe they are in fact real.
Also spacing could be a clue. I learned to type on a typewriter and have had to unlearn putting two spaces after a period. I’m early 50s…
 
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Also spacing could be a clue. I learned to type on a typewriter and have had to unlearn putting two spaces after a period. I’m early 50s…
Sammeeeee LOL. See?
 
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Also spacing could be a clue. I learned to type on a typewriter and have had to unlearn putting two spaces after a period. I’m early 50s…
I’m early 40s and also still put 2 spaces after a full stop in anything I type. Not on WS but in my day to day work.
 
  • #7,950
When asked about a search...
Trump said he wasn't talking about a search but a solution.

When asked about a suspect...
Trump said something definitive.

Then he finished...
Calling it a horrible situation.

I'm worried.
I'm encouraged.

If you couple that statement with all the activity we saw today (which is not explained by simply verifying a tip), then we could actually be very close to a conclusion.

If so, I believe that the offender is very close to home, if you know what I mean.

I said this earlier, but there has just got to be footage of a vehicle of interest somewhere. As reporters have noted, they haven't put out an image, a description, nothing.

The less they share, the more they know.

Of course I'm operating from a different point of view than you are. I'm waiting for a killer to be caught, and a body to be found.
 
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I actually think they’ve chosen to keep that quiet now since AB said SIL was a suspect. They said early on that SIL dropped her home
Who is “they”? Early on, the sheriff said “family” dropped her off and at one point said “Annie” and then “family” again. The first mention of SIL dropping her off came from a blog type source. AFAIK, LE never said SIL dropped her off.

I’ve spent the evening going through this thread from the beginning to see who was mentioned (and what details were given) at the press conferences in an effort to try separate official LE info from unofficial media reports. This thread is moving fast, and in that rush of info, some things that have come in media have been credited to have come from LE.
 
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No one really knows. It could have been a coded reference to the kidnappers. Or, one thought was that when filming the movie Silence of the Lambs where that line was from, the FBI was heavily consulted on that script. So maybe advised on the movie to say that, and now advised the Guthrie family to say the same thing. Or did someone use AI to help compose a response and it came up with that because it pulls from scripts, pop culture, written things already out there, etc. SG did seem to look up very specifically when she said that line, in a way that stood out. The sister did a big inhale of breath at that part. (But that was also right before the sister started speaking, so the sister may have just been taking a deep breath to gear up to read her part.)
What is the line that Savannah said? I’m not familiar with the movie but curious.
 
  • #7,954
I think we're dealing with either a really smart criminal, a really dumb basic criminal or someone known to NG that was after money only.
Have we been told anything about personal financial transactions?
Jmho
 
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I'm encouraged.

If you couple that statement with all the activity we saw today (which is not explained by simply verifying a tip), then we could actually be very close to a conclusion.

If so, I believe that the offender is very close to home, if you know what I mean.

I said this earlier, but there has just got to be footage of a vehicle of interest somewhere. As reporters have noted, they haven't put out an image, a description, nothing.

The less they share, the more they know.

Of course I'm operating from a different point of view than you are. I'm waiting for a killer to be caught, and a body to be found.
Yes I think the suspect is close by as well. I also am afraid I agree that there is a killer to be caught and a body to be found:confused: Also "The less they share, the more they know." is why I am not happy with you-now-who blabbing.
 
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right!? i try going to X to see his and other's posts and just get old stuff! i've never been able to figure out X... UGH!
If you don't have an account on X you can still view someone's posts by using a mirror site like this:

Just add 'cancel' in the address: xcancel.com
 
  • #7,957
I want this to be a successful ransom received, victim released but it doesn’t make sense to me. Why wouldn’t they leave a ransom note in the house for her family to find when they check on her? Tell them to not contact the police and pay the ransom and then it’s done with no publicity? The ransom note doesn’t sound like it’s some type of “manifesto” that the writer would want media attention for…if someone is all business, a professional criminal, why would they wait days and then send the ransom to news stations? Is the name of the game in ransom not discretion?
On paper, they can bring in writing analysts, they can examine the paper and where it is sold from and dusted for fingerprints...etc...

Using the computer to send ransom notes is so much hard or nearly impossible to trace.
 
  • #7,958
WOW!! SO much coming out. Can't wait for Tricia's live here in a few.
 
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SBM

Maybe they didn’t leave a written note due to potential fingerprints or DNA?
Could they not control for that though? Wipe it clean? Use a piece of paper in the house and a pen with your non dominant hand and a glove or take it with you? On the other hand, how risky is it to send your note to the global news media and have your crime brought to the forefront of a nation? Seems like the worst case scenario for someone who kidnaps those related to high profile individuals for ransom?
 
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Who is “they”? Early on, the sheriff said “family” dropped her off and at one point said “Annie” and then “family” again. The first mention of SIL dropping her off came from a blog type source. AFAIK, LE never said SIL dropped her off.

I’ve spent the evening going through this thread from the beginning to see who was mentioned (and what details were given) at the press conferences in an effort to try separate official LE info from unofficial media reports. This thread is moving fast, and in that rush of info, some things that have come in media have been credited to have come from LE.
I could be wrong. I was referring to LE. I thought early on I heard from them that SIL dropped her off and then that changed after AB released her “info” and they reverted back to family.
 

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