• #8,841
Tommaso drove Nancy home per New York Times interview with Sheriff Nanos

"After dinner and games, Mr. Cioni drove Ms. Guthrie home, and the garage door at her home opened at around 9:48 p.m., Sheriff Nanos said. That door closed at 9:50 p.m."
I just don't see NG walking into her home and getting inside in the matter of two minutes unless she was using a "hurry cane," and Tommaso dropped her off and peeled wheels out of there...

IOW, this just doesn't make common sense to me. Anyone--unless you hate your MIL--is respectful and helpful. You are going to stop the car, open the garage door, walk her in at her pace, open the other door leading to the home (which might require a key??), go inside with her, ask her if there is anything that you can do for her before you leave...All that requires more than two minutes.

JMO.
 
  • #8,842
I cannot think of any. The last time I recall a high-profile case thst even mentioned the word ransom was JonBennet. The last time I recall hearing of a kidnapper and a purported "white van" in the area was Laci Peterson. And we know how those turned out. Not many of these "weird" cases have happy endings.
Frank Sinatra Jr.......only one I know of.
 
  • #8,843
I find timelines to be very helpful (especially in a case like this where there are a lot of moving parts and lots of speculation) so I spent a while putting together a timeline (side note: I did not use AI to research or assemble this, just a bunch of my time and brainpower!). If I missed anything, please let me know!

All times are in MST unless otherwise indicated. Sources are listed in parenthesis – when possible, information is from LE, either Sheriff Nanos or FBI Special Agent in Charge Heith Janke.

January 31, 2026

5:32pm - NG takes an Uber to the family’s home (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

9:48pm - NG is dropped off at home based on the garage door opening (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

9:50pm - Garage door closes (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

February 1, 2026

1:47am - Doorbell camera disconnects (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

2:12am - Software detects a person on a camera but no video is available. Unable to determine which camera detected the person. (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

2:28am - NG’s pacemaker app shows it was disconnected (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

11:56am - The family checks on NG and discovers her missing (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

12:03 - 911 is called (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

12:15pm - A patrol unit arrives at NG’s home (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

February 2, 2026

6:42pm - Tucson news station KOLD receives a ransom demand via anonymous email with demands that needed to be completed “before 5PM on Thursday the 5th.” (KOLD)

February 3, 2026

Morning - TMZ receives a ransom note demanding “millions” in Bitcoin for NG’s release. (TMZ)

1:49pm - PCSO releases a statement on Facebook stating “we are aware of reports circulating about possible ransom note(s) regarding the investigation into Nancy Guthrie.” (PCSO Facebook)

February 4, 2026

7:59am - PCSO states “at this point, investigators have not identified a suspect or person of interest in this case” and cautions that “the sharing of unverified accusations or false information is irresponsible (PCSO Facebook)

Just after 3pm - A black Suburban pulled up to AG’s home and about 4 or 5 people who appeared to be LE agents got out and went inside (KPNX live broadcast)

Around 3:20pm - Two of the people presumed to be LE exit AG’s home and retrieve supplies from the Suburban, including what appeared to be a tripod, and reenter the home (KPNX live broadcast)

Approx. 4-6pm - LE conducts a search at NG’s home because, according to Nanos, “the FBI wanted to take a look” (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser). The search lasts roughly 2 hours and dog was brought in during the search (Brian Entin; ABC12 reporter Ford Hatchett)

6:22pm - The Guthrie family releases a video statement. SG acknowledges the family is aware of the ransom demands and says “we need to know that she is alive and that you have her. We want to hear from you, and we are ready to listen. Please, reach out to us.” (SG’s Instagram)

February 5, 2026

Approx. 1:30pm - The FBI announces a $50,000 reward for information leading to the recovery of NG or the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in her disappearance (Janke, Feb. 5 presser)

5pm (timezone not specified) - First deadline in the ransom demand (KOLD)

5:05pm - CG releases a video message on SG’s Instagram addressing NG’s abductor and says “we need you to reach out and we need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward.” (SG’s Instagram)

February 6, 2025

11:45am - KOLD receives a new message via email from NG’s alleged abductor. The note was sent the same way as the previous note (reporter Briana Whitney)

3:01pm - KOLD publicly announces the receipt of the note from NG’s alleged abductor. (reporter Mary Coleman)

3:05pm - PCSO releases a statement stating that “the FBI and Pima County Sheriff’s Department are aware of a new message regarding Nancy Guthrie.” (PCSO)

3:35pm - Police close down a large section of NG’s street for “investigative purposes” (reporter Michael Ruiz; reporter Brian Entin)

Approx. 5:45pm - LE removes what appears to be a camera from the roof of the casita and NG’s house (reporter Michael Ruiz)

7:46pm - A tow truck arrives at NG’s house and removes a blue Subaru from the garage (reporter Brian Entin)

9:02pm - A forensics vehicle, a white Toyota Camry, and an unmarked white Chevy SUV arrive at AG’s house. People got out of the forensics vehicle and the Camry and walked around to the side of the house and left after about 5 minutes (reporter Brian Entin, reporter Michael Ruiz).

February 9, 2026

5pm (timezone not specified) - Second deadline in the ransom demand (KOLD)

Unable to place on timeline

KGUN also received a ransom demand, but the date it was received has not been released (KGUN9)

LE visited the Circle K on Oracle Road in Tucson after “receiving a tip regarding a vehicle of interest, and our team has provided them access to the store’s surveillance video.” (NBC News)
Thank you, this is very helpful.
 
  • #8,844
It does make me wonder if the FBI is interrogating family members right now, hoping to get specific information as to where she is. Of course they'd have to get a confession to get that location, and who wants to admit that while your whole family's around? If they arrest immediately, the perps will lawyer up and they will be no closer to finding Nancy (who is likely deceased at this point).
Great point.
 
  • #8,845
with that light ordinance I am guessing any lighting would be very very subtle and not a major flood light etc. It is very dark out there at night and probably a front door light might not be allowed. I would hate that.
We have that ordinance too. Lights can be used if you are outside, and all lights are down lights, no up lights, spotlights. .
 
  • #8,846
As a true crime writer, not a case insider. It's different. And until we get clarification, I'm waiting on sources to support anything she's said, like any regular poster.

MOO
This case has so many twists and turns —and I just have to say that I found the repost and the question a little weird (sorry AJ). Why check back later? Could this be a veiled communication. For someone? Prob reading more onto the post —and repost (which is what caught my eye) but why ask that question twice and then come back later? What are you waiting to see?
 
  • #8,847
As a true crime writer, not a case insider. It's different. And until we get clarification, I'm waiting on sources to support anything she's said, like any regular poster.

MOO
Thanks for clarifying the difference. That is what I was trying to find out. I'll wait for sources and hold off on assuming accuracy of the info at this point.
 
  • #8,848
  • #8,849
I would never pay the ransom without proof of life. Esp. In a case this high-profile. We already found one scammer. And, without proof of life, I don’t have alot of confidence that an 84 year old who lost blood and hasn’t had her meds in a week is alive.
I think she could still be alive, but agree not to entertain paying ransom without proof.
 
  • #8,851
If Mrs. Guthrie had not turned up missing maybe but under the circumstances the blood appears to be evidence.

I think the family is wise to not touch the property even after release. For example not cleaning the blood, or staying in the home or even the guest house, not gathering there for any reason, until there is some resolution, imo.

If the blood was from a previous incident considering her home appears to be well kept I think it would have been cleaned up pretty quickly by either Mrs Guthrie, if we are to believe she’s fully able of taking care of her tasks, a house keeper, or her daughter who I presume would have been told I had a bloody spell on the front porch I got it stopped but it’s a mess out there.

The front door is used as evidenced by the package.

Also neighbors or friends stopping by she wouldn’t want blood and lots of it out there since she seemed tidy.

I am realizing that many aren’t as involved with their moms like me; we’ve always hung out a lot.

So maybe the routine was the partner drops her off late in the deep dark night and is on his way without a second thought as many seem to think that not unusual.

It may be they are just not that close or involved in her life or don’t want to start any time consuming habits of assistance.


All imo
that doesn't mean NG used that door other than to retrieve packages..... IMO
 
  • #8,853
He also knew with 100% certainty who he was going after. That is not the case here. Anyway, I’m moving on and ignoring him as usual. Of course he would take credit if NG is found safe. IMHO

Fair enough, I just hope any bloviating is true in this instance, because that would mean they are close to getting to the bottom of this awful situation.

JMO.
 
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  • #8,854
Maybe the ransomer hasn't provided proof of life because it's not possible.

A ransomer who is willing to abduct a victim might be willing to collect a ransom without ever intending to return the victim.

It's not a movie.

JMO
Speaking of scruples, I dont see a kidnapper running errands to pick up prescriptions or let someone pack a bag with them. Your post reminded me of this thought I've been having. JMO
 
  • #8,855
This case has so many twists and turns —and I just have to say that I found the repost and the question a little weird (sorry AJ). Why check back later? Could this be a veiled communication. For someone? Prob reading more onto the post —and repost (which is what caught my eye) but why ask that question twice and then come back later? What are you waiting to see?
I think some people are picking apart semantics here.
 
  • #8,856
It does make me wonder if the FBI is interrogating family members right now, hoping to get specific information as to where she is. Of course they'd have to get a confession to get that location, and who wants to admit that while your whole family's around? If they arrest immediately, the perps will lawyer up and they will be no closer to finding Nancy (who is likely deceased at this point).
Curious about interviewing the family members, wouldn’t they only interview them at the house? Or police station? Is it because of the high profile case it would be in the house to not give any news outlets tips about what’s going on?
 
  • #8,857
As a crime writer it says. I was suggesting insider because she says she knows SG personally. Does verification as a crime writer pass as an approved source for what she said about white van? Idk just would like to know if the info is accurate.
IMO no. They are not providing inside information relating to their verified status.
 
  • #8,858
I think we might be reading too much into the “exact time” her pacemaker disconnected from her phone. My dad has had a pacemaker for 15 years and recently got a new one. His doesn’t continuously sent data to his phone. It transmits it when he is sleeping usually between the hours of 12am-3am. If his phone isn’t near by it will try again a little while later and then eventually send him a notification that it couldn’t connect. Everything I’ve researched online has stated that others are the same way and they aren’t continuously sending data.

I say this because people are making a big deal about the big time lapse between when the camera broke and the pacemaker disconnected, but the pacemaker could have been out of range before 2:28am. I think it’s more likely that the 2:12am detection of a person was them leaving with her.
If the pacemaker was out of range before 2:28am, the pacemaker would not have been able to sync with the phone at 2:28am unless it came back in to range to sync. She had to be in proximity of the phone in order for the data to be transmitted so she had to be near her phone at 2:28am but this does not mean she was in her home, just near her phone.

I'm sure the investigators know, but I'd be curious to see what time her pacemaker usually syncs with her phone every night. Knowing minimal about pacemakers, from what I've read, if the auto-sync option is on it usually syncs in the same window every night (~5-15 minute range). I wonder if this is her usual time range for it to sync. If so, does the abductor know this and planned it this way? Or was it just a coincidence she was still at the home for her pacemaker to sync for the night, because it definitely helps the detectives narrow down a timeline.
 
  • #8,859
THE Aphrodite Jones! WOW! Nice to have yo uhere.
The problem is the President says....many things. He has been known to be in error about a lot of situations and speaks "out of turn," IMO.

However as regards to everything else, your points are spot on. Thank you for all of this
Welcome Aphrodite!
 
  • #8,860
The neighbors 44 year old son has a criminal record that includes Criminal Trespass and Stalking. And, ironically, owns or previously owned a roofing company.
 
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