AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[moonbeams]

Doesn't say the van was collected by LE though, does it? Doesn't back up AJ comment.

words used matter. and she's a writer. i asked my husband if someone wrote a white was collected what does that mean and he said that LE had it. words have meanings.

 

[thefragile7393]

Billionaires can make things happen. It’s interesting that the Epstein files were released right before NG went missing and this story has then DOMINATED the 24 hours news cycle for a week. I’m not a tin foil hat conspiracy guy, but is that just a coincidence?

IMO, yes.

 

[Rush4087]

the POTUS is not a reliable source of factual information on many things, IMO

Link? Political

 

[PipeyRella]

Something that has been bothering me this morning and very possible someone one has mentioned it in the many pages of this thread. During the instagram video of the siblings, when SG was talking about NG's need for medications, she said: "She lives in constant pain. She is without any medicine. She needs it to survive. She needs it not to suffer." This was curious to me and very intentional sounding. Does NG take pain medication? Does someone in her orbit know this (family, caretakers, groundkeepers, etc)? I know there have been (unverified) rumors of a family member having a possible addiction problem (again - unverified!). It would not surprise me if this ended up having to do with drugs.

 

[thefragile7393]

words used matter. and she's a writer. i asked my husband if someone wrote a white was collected what does that mean and he said that LE had it. words have meanings.

Again, semantics possibly. Again, it's hopefully being addressed.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I know who he is too.

He mentioned the DOJ and the FBI had new information when asked about a suspect as late as a couple of hours from the time that clip was made. He describes it as a 'horrible situation' and that makes me worry very much for Nancy.

 

[thefragile7393]

Link?

I don't need a link for my opinion based on what has been seen and reported over the last few years. "IMO" means exactly that-"IMO". However if you want to google you're free to do so. I'm not going to derail the thread further by posting information that has nothing to do with this case.

 

[missy1974]

She's going to have to pin that at the top of every page, imo. I sure hope the thread doesn't get shut down for clean up!

This is an every day rule on WS's as far as I know, no need to pin it IMO

One of the reasons I come here is to discuss a case, with facts and opinions about the case.

If I want to discuss politics, I have other places to do that, I'm sure others can find those same places JMO of course.

 

[Sessiebo]

Why not? AB stated she had information from a reliable source without naming and is considered reliable here but DJT who is actually talking to the FBI etc regarding this case shouldn't be considered reliable? Can't have it both ways. Take what info we get with a grain of salt if you want but I think both should be considered reliable IMO

Very well said!

 

[Curiousraccoon]

The neighbors 44 year old son has a criminal record that includes Criminal Trespass and Stalking. And, ironically, owns or previously owned a roofing company.

Sounds very sus, but where is this information from, please?
@outloudthink

ETA: is there a private thread on this?

 

[citizen_sleuth]

2:12am - Software detects a person on a camera but no video is available. Unable to determine which camera detected the person. (Nanos, Feb. 5 presser)

I am pretty sure this got refined to the software detecting" movement" - they do not know for example if it was a person or an animal since no video

JMO

Thanks for pointing this out! The timeline released by PCSO says the camera detected a "person" but Nanos did note in a follow-up question at the presser that it is possible an animal triggered the alert, so I've updated the timeline to clarify that.

 

[aafromaa]

Thank you. I was thinking the same. Anytime we go out knowing we’ll be home after dark, we always leave our front door lights on. Arizona is beautiful and the dark skies with all of the stars is breathtaking, but I don’t think I’d ever be able to live there because of the restrictions on outdoor lighting.

I used to do that and then realized that leaving my light on when I went out signaled that I wasn’t home. Now I just have them on a dusk to dawn sensor. I think the outdoor lighting restrictions in NG’s area are for street lights or maybe over a certain amount of lumens or something - otherwise no one would ever even be able to use their yards at night.

 

[SammiSleuthing]

Apologies in advance if this is already being discussed, I'm a little lost in how fast moving this story is, but police also reportedly removed a camera from her roof, a roof that might have had recent work done on it.

“Apparently on that roof, the agents recovered a new camera, a camera that apparently they hadn’t been aware of and they took it into their custody. I don’t know anymore than that as to why it hadn’t been recovered, what it might see." -Retired NYPD Inspector Paul Mauro.

And from a neighbor:
Laura Gargano, said she tipped off the police to investigate the roof because of how clean it looked compared to other homes in the neighborhood.

“I did notice on an aerial shot that it looked like her roof had been recoated recently,” Gargano told CNN on Friday. “When you recoat your roof it gets dirty pretty quickly and we’ve had lot of rains the previous three weeks, so it would be normal for a roof to be a little dirty.”

I live in an old house too big for me (downsizing and going broke from taking care of it) so rely heavily on contractors and assistance. There are a lot of shady contractors, we all know that, but I am starting to fear one of them saw this very vulnerable woman as an obvious easy target. If Savannah was brought up in casual conversation or he otherwise discovered the connection, I could see this being a ransom case. Something that seemed absurd to me in the beginning. Just dreadful, each bit of news is more frustrating and terrifying than the next. It's been a week, I just keep praying for her return home.

From NY Post: Police tow SUV from Nancy Guthrie’s home, take down wired device from roof after tip from neighbor: report

 

[Trino]

Omg. What about any homes in the area for sale? Surely they would have noted that and asked realtor to let them check it out.

As far as her body being out in the desert, wouldn't someone have noticed buzzards? Maybe with all the brush they'd be hidden when on the ground.

I previously responded to this, but will again. The Sonoran Desert is noted for around 5,000 illegal immigrant bodies still around. 22 yrs of bodies. One more body isn't going to alert anyone.

 

[serenebee23]

Couple of thoughts:
1) I think the person responsible is close (family, neighbor, someone who works in the house). This would be irrationally random otherwise. NG isn't a celebrity - even if her daughter is. She isn't wealthy in the manner that usual targets for ransom are and she doesn't live a lifestyle where she's neccessarily exposed (she's not followed by papparazi or the media). There is clearly some knowledge of the house and the fact that there is no subscription for the cameras. Any halfway intelligent person would know that even destroying a camera uploading to the cloud will show everything up to the destruction of the camera - so I think destroying the camera was to avoid anyone watching live (NG? AG?)
2) The perp has a normal M-F 9-5 job. Saturday night / early Sunday seems to fit this AND 2nd note comes out Friday afternoon. Something tells me, based on the timeline - the perp has someone at home expecting them. The times loosely fit a night out: I tell my spouse I'm headed out with the boys. Bars close at 2am. Plausable to say we were kicked out at 2:15am. This would be a valid arrival home closer to 3am if I claim I'm going to a bar across town, stopped for gas, cigarettes, whatever.
3) Blood spatter on porch (as many have pointed out) appears to be aspirated at the doorstep and drops thereafter. The doorstep looks like a small step down or, at least, a threshold to step over - with NG's limited mobility, this step over/down might cause her respiratory exertion resulting in either coughing or heavy exhale through her nose. I think it was a nose bleed - the drops are round and mouth bleeds just don't seem like they fall that way. It looks like she was walking slow on the porch, the drops are close together.
4) I also believe the ransom notes are a distraction or a layer added to cover the real intent. I won't go so far as to say she's no longer alive. But something about the family theory seems to check the boxes. Let's say, hypothethically, you have three children. One is a TV personality on national TV, one is a poet married to a school teacher, and one is a retired Air Force pilot. Would one of them be in a position to feel not as financially secure or not as happy with their lot in life as compared to their siblings? Hypothetically, let's say someone at 10pm calls their spouse letting them know they just dropped off their mom at home safely - but now is headed to the bar in downtown Tucson to meet up with friends - after all, it's saturday night. Same person grabs a few drinks and then heads to NG house. They know the cameras aren't saving any recordings, but disconnects the doorbell cam because it would alert NG or even AG when the doorbell is rung or perhaps it can be turned on remotely by NG is she hears forced entry. Entry is made. No signs of a real struggle because you are known to the NG - until you assault her or she falls. You help her to your car (or a car). You may or may not have a 2nd person helping you - but you do have a place you keep her (is it a storage unit? a partner's place?) Either way, you realize quickly you ARE the prime suspect. You cannot leave your own house now without scrutiny or surviellence by police. You cannot provide proof of life because you simply cannot go to where you are holding her without being found out by LE. Your motive was money - maybe you did intend to kill her and sobered up and realized that was stupid. Maybe the ransom idea then becomes what you go with - which explains waiting so long to send a ransom note. The family records a message on Instagram because they know you'll watch that. References are made to Silence of the Lambs - perhaps because they know it's probably you and that's meaningful to you. You see your wife struggle because you were "out" that night and arrived oddly late. Your brother in law also suspects you and his demeanor is flat because he's talking to you and you know it. You sister in law is full of emotion because she lives in NYC and isn't part of the everyday of the family dynamics in AZ. LE knows it's you and that's why they really haven't done extensive searches with cadaver dogs, sought that TX equestrian group, or had volunteers walking the desert.
With all that said - it could also be someone close to the family following the same script. I just don't believe the excess stuff LE is doing is really progressing the case. I think it might be to gather evidence to make the case stronger - but I think they already know who did it and they are either waiting for him to go to her OR they are negotiating with him in the background while maintaining "no suspect" for the public.

Absolutely agree with all of this!

 

[SlimPickens]

JMO - The FBI isn't a good ole' boy network using 35 year old profiling studies by far. They have continuously updated their methodologies and cutting edge technologies along with the rest of the world, if not ahead of them. They developed CODIS, AFIS way back when, and they're the lead Federal Agency in Cyber Security, Terrorism, etc.

The FBI has been instrumental in Genetic Genealogy Testing working with LE in conjunction with the forefront leaders like Othram and Parabon. The Golden State Killer was the first big break in GG, and the latest one I can think of off the top of my head was the Idaho Murderer who killed 4 College Students. Many, many old cold cases have been solved as well.

MOO

Indeed, and let's not forget about their cyber and electronic device tracking prowess, which is essentially DNA tracking of machines, their components, and any human inputs. I feel these expertise are going to prove instrumental in cracking this case.

JMO.

 

[unresolvedmystery]

Has anyone any info on if SIL has access to a white van via their band/Work or AG's Jewellery business? First thing I thought of.

Also see a lot being said about a band mate of SIL having multiple prior convictions has this been discussed here yet?

 

[moonbeams]

So she did have an alarm system? I was wondering. Maybe she didn’t set it, because the one in our home goes off instantly if door/ window opened even a tiny bit. Also goes off for window breaking. AND calls the monitoring station immediately who then calls the house to confirm. No response from home, police are called. We have a duress code as well, in case intruder forces homeowner to disarm. It pretends to disarm and still calls police. This has been a big question on my mind why no alarm ever sounded or triggered LE. JMO

i've wondered why an alarm system has never been mentioned. so sad if she had a system that wasn't being used/set. of course this could be more held back info.

 

[Arkay]

being on blood thinners it could have come from the tiniest of cuts!

My dad on blood thinners will bleed if you look at him. He’s 93 but this has been for at least a decade.

If God forbid this happened to him his blood would leave a long trail.

I don’t know what I would do if this were my parents. I would pay everything I own, I would tell them to take me and let her go, I would do all the things we’d all do but I think I would just have to have the proof of life first.

Yes I’d be in excruciating agony, gambling on my parents’ lives, but though I’d give my last penny I would HAVE to know they were alive.

JMO, subject to change.

 

[Rush4087]

So can we stop bashing on Aphrodite Jones now? Good lord.

Huh? AJ: "As of this morning they have collected the white van" is totally different representation than "neighbors reported seeing a white van" Why is this so hard?

Can we just get a link? At the very least, there is certainly nothing wrong with posters requesting one. Stop beating people up who just want verified facts.

And your statements re: DT are just your opinion. If you don't mind, please follow WS rules: unless you have a link to support what you are claiming to be fact, please indicate that it is just your opinion (IMO, MOO, JMO). TIA

Jmo