AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[moonbeams]

I'm reading between the lines.....It's a "What would you do?"
I wouldn't be surprised if she has been in touch with Savannah....
Aphrodite Jones is well known

or collecting material for a new book?

 

[shonyakay]

I just don't see NG walking into her home and getting inside in the matter of two minutes unless she was using a "hurry cane," and Tommaso dropped her off and peeled wheels out of there...

IOW, this just doesn't make common sense to me. Anyone--unless you hate your MIL--is respectful and helpful. You are going to stop the car, open the garage door, walk her in at her pace, open the other door leading to the home (which might require a key??), go inside with her, ask her if there is anything that you can do for her before you leave...All that requires more than two minutes.

JMO.

There is a driveway that leads to the right side of the house where the garage is. Like most homes you can drive right up to the garage door. Nancy could have been let out of the car right near the garage door. She would then only need to walk a little ways to get inside of her garage, turn around and wave her SIL off, and then close the door. This taking a couple to a handful of minutes to achieve is doable.

 

[thefragile7393]

or collecting material for a new book?

ehhh.....at this point I'd give grace and not make assumptions.

 

[zecats]

i've wondered why an alarm system has never been mentioned. so sad if she had a system that wasn't being used/set. of course this could be more held back info.

I don’t think it would have to be held back if she in fact did have a functioning operational and armed system. The police would have shown up that night when a signal was triggered. Of course, they could be holding back that she had one which wasn’t set or one that someone disarmed. Need to know the code for that and would implicate someone with inside knowledge.

 

[su5ie]

@Aphrodite Jones

You posed the question would we push the button to allow a ransom be paid .

The way I see it ,this is not a black and white yes or no answer .

The ransom demand represents power and control . At the moment the kidnapper/ conspirators have all the power and control because they allegedly have Nancy .


They want the money but the penultimate is they get to play God , manipulating the emotions of the family and the feeling of superiority from having the power over life and death

For me it's about turning the tables , negotiation. At the moment the perp holds all the cards . You want to open up lines of communication for a two part deal A public statement saying we have 1 million . Pay it live on TV . But in return . You want a lock of your mother's hair or something to the effect .This can be analysised to see if it is from a living or deceased person . And you are gaining trust . The kidnapper is gaining financially and can see you are willing to cut a deal but you are no pushover

The balance will be paid when your mum is placed in a public area with money sent and Co ordinates of where to find her are sent simultaneously.

I find it difficult to believe this has not been done by the fbi already unless it has and we are not privy to that info

I would not pay in full regardless of outcome unless I knew my mum was alive in the present.

 

[curiouscatinoc]

Something that has been bothering me this morning and very possible someone one has mentioned it in the many pages of this thread. During the instagram video of the siblings, when SG was talking about NG's need for medications, she said: "She lives in constant pain. She is without any medicine. She needs it to survive. She needs it not to suffer." This was curious to me and very intentional sounding. Does NG take pain medication? Does someone in her orbit know this (family, caretakers, groundkeepers, etc)? I know there have been (unverified) rumors of a family member having a possible addiction problem (again - unverified!). It would not surprise me if this ended up having to do with drugs.

She could also be on Neurontin, which is commonly used to help nerve pain from diabetic neuropathy. Neuropathy could be the cause of the limited mobility. If she has diabetes, insulin could be the drug that she needs to stay alive.

 

[LAborn]

Anything is possible, but don't think anyone in the family is involved. A retired detective said that it could be someone associated who maybe has a grudge or felt slighted by the family over money somehow. Seems "grudge collectors" abound lately. JMO

 

[wyome]

Couple of thoughts:
1) I think the person responsible is close (family, neighbor, someone who works in the house). This would be irrationally random otherwise. NG isn't a celebrity - even if her daughter is. She isn't wealthy in the manner that usual targets for ransom are and she doesn't live a lifestyle where she's neccessarily exposed (she's not followed by papparazi or the media). There is clearly some knowledge of the house and the fact that there is no subscription for the cameras. Any halfway intelligent person would know that even destroying a camera uploading to the cloud will show everything up to the destruction of the camera - so I think destroying the camera was to avoid anyone watching live (NG? AG?)
2) The perp has a normal M-F 9-5 job. Saturday night / early Sunday seems to fit this AND 2nd note comes out Friday afternoon. Something tells me, based on the timeline - the perp has someone at home expecting them. The times loosely fit a night out: I tell my spouse I'm headed out with the boys. Bars close at 2am. Plausable to say we were kicked out at 2:15am. This would be a valid arrival home closer to 3am if I claim I'm going to a bar across town, stopped for gas, cigarettes, whatever.
3) Blood spatter on porch (as many have pointed out) appears to be aspirated at the doorstep and drops thereafter. The doorstep looks like a small step down or, at least, a threshold to step over - with NG's limited mobility, this step over/down might cause her respiratory exertion resulting in either coughing or heavy exhale through her nose. I think it was a nose bleed - the drops are round and mouth bleeds just don't seem like they fall that way. It looks like she was walking slow on the porch, the drops are close together.
4) I also believe the ransom notes are a distraction or a layer added to cover the real intent. I won't go so far as to say she's no longer alive. But something about the family theory seems to check the boxes. Let's say, hypothethically, you have three children. One is a TV personality on national TV, one is a poet married to a school teacher, and one is a retired Air Force pilot. Would one of them be in a position to feel not as financially secure or not as happy with their lot in life as compared to their siblings? Hypothetically, let's say someone at 10pm calls their spouse letting them know they just dropped off their mom at home safely - but now is headed to the bar in downtown Tucson to meet up with friends - after all, it's saturday night. Same person grabs a few drinks and then heads to NG house. They know the cameras aren't saving any recordings, but disconnects the doorbell cam because it would alert NG or even AG when the doorbell is rung or perhaps it can be turned on remotely by NG is she hears forced entry. Entry is made. No signs of a real struggle because you are known to the NG - until you assault her or she falls. You help her to your car (or a car). You may or may not have a 2nd person helping you - but you do have a place you keep her (is it a storage unit? a partner's place?) Either way, you realize quickly you ARE the prime suspect. You cannot leave your own house now without scrutiny or surviellence by police. You cannot provide proof of life because you simply cannot go to where you are holding her without being found out by LE. Your motive was money - maybe you did intend to kill her and sobered up and realized that was stupid. Maybe the ransom idea then becomes what you go with - which explains waiting so long to send a ransom note. The family records a message on Instagram because they know you'll watch that. References are made to Silence of the Lambs - perhaps because they know it's probably you and that's meaningful to you. You see your wife struggle because you were "out" that night and arrived oddly late. Your brother in law also suspects you and his demeanor is flat because he's talking to you and you know it. You sister in law is full of emotion because she lives in NYC and isn't part of the everyday of the family dynamics in AZ. LE knows it's you and that's why they really haven't done extensive searches with cadaver dogs, sought that TX equestrian group, or had volunteers walking the desert.
With all that said - it could also be someone close to the family following the same script. I just don't believe the excess stuff LE is doing is really progressing the case. I think it might be to gather evidence to make the case stronger - but I think they already know who did it and they are either waiting for him to go to her OR they are negotiating with him in the background while maintaining "no suspect" for the public.

Well thought out. I'd add that there is one sibling that also is required to help mom on a weekly basis - that breeds resentment.

 

[LAborn]

Has it been disclosed whether or not it was a forced entry? I know the cameras were smashed and the backdoor was open, but didn't hear about the front door (other than Nancy's blood drops). TIA.

 

[Sadi]

i've wondered why an alarm system has never been mentioned. so sad if she had a system that wasn't being used/set. of course this could be more held back info.

Maybe she does, but LE doesn’t want to share that information yet.

 

[PipeyRella]

She could also be on Neurontin, which is commonly used to help nerve pain from diabetic neuropathy. Neuropathy could be the cause of the limited mobility. If she has diabetes, insulin could be the drug that she needs to stay alive.

great point and not something I'm knowledgeable about so thank you. Does Neurontin eliminate the need for additional pain medications due to discomfort from diabetic neuropathy? Or is it typically used in tandem with another pain med? Just curious. Would make me feel better if used solo because if its a drug related disappearance, I don't see it ending well.

 

[emigrate]

Can a person even move 7 milion around in less than a week with how much control the government now has on our banking? Heck I think if you play around with a measly 10 thousand you have to fill out forms. Maybe wealthy people are looked at differently and can move large amounts faster than some of us "little guys"? I just couldn't figure out how a kidnapper thinks you can just go into a bank and get 7 million or move 7 million into bitcoin in a couple days. Can it be done if they wanted it done?

 

[jepop]

words used matter. and she's a writer. i asked my husband if someone wrote a white was collected what does that mean and he said that LE had it. words have meanings.

Yeah the word collected means just that - collected. I'm just going to wait to see if op will verify or whether it may be a mistake or a misunderstanding, wrong source or whatever. Not taking it as a given. Moo

 

[shadowsc]

JMO - The FBI isn't a good ole' boy network using 35 year old profiling studies by far. They have continuously updated their methodologies and cutting edge technologies along with the rest of the world, if not ahead of them. They developed CODIS, AFIS way back when, and they're the lead Federal Agency in Cyber Security, Terrorism, etc.

The FBI has been instrumental in Genetic Genealogy Testing working with LE in conjunction with the forefront leaders like Othram and Parabon. The Golden State Killer was the first big break in GG, and the latest one I can think of off the top of my head was the Idaho Murderer who killed 4 College Students. Many, many old cold cases have been solved as well.

MOO

I think this was just in the context of how SG used the "Talk to her and you'll see" line from Silence of the Lambs in the family's first video response to the possible abductors. The thought amongst talking heads was wondering if it was either a coded message to kidnappers, or that SG was advised to use that line by the FBI.

And that if FBI advised it, it may have come from their profiling studies that they used way back in 1991 when the FBI consulted on the Silence of the Lambs movie script. Meaning they had advised using it in the movie script and advised it again to the Guthrie family in an attempt to humanize. (Not so much that the FBI hasn't updated their profiling in 35 years, just that they still thought that kind of phrase might be effective, etc.)

 

[diggndeeperstill]

SO -- I've waited before making any comment because I felt we were all rushing to judgement. It's a human reaction to pin the crime on one of the nearest relatives, but it can also backfire. I know Savannah personally, and the last thing I want to do is bring more pain to the Guthrie family. Imagine if your mom was abducted and the public was pointing the finger at you. The sting would be that much greater. All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van and as you all know, a second note was sent to KOLD yesterday which has been verified as coming from the same encrypted server. This note apparently made contact with the family, responding to the videos made by Savannah and her siblings. We now have President Trump indicating that officials are close to identifying the abductor or abductors. The horrible thing now, of course, is that we have no proof of life. I PRAY that Nancy is alive after being without her meds for 7 days. It is totally possible. Let's remember that. In fact, billboards are now being put up in AZ and surrounding states asking for the public's help. The hard question now is: WOULD YOU HIT SEND to give millions in crypto to this abductor before the deadline on Monday? If no one is caught this weekend, Savannah will be struggling with the possibility that non-payment could mean death for her mom... MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR HER...

Yes, even behind a VPN you are only masking your host IP address. Any digital photos, videos,let could create new digital fingerprints. Unless these people were cyber pros like at a nation state level and knew how to scrub everything. Then we are talking about whole new level of cyberware in America. For example North Korea does a lot of cyberware against America in regards of crypto theft against Americans. Billions. Look it up. But I mean only a high level nation state actor could scrub all the bits and pieces and for example even when north korea does steal crypto from an American we still know they did it. And thats behind vpn and everything else. So, if these folks really do have a digital trail, it will take them down trust me.

If I understand correctly, a lot of the 'tracing' problems comes in when they use countries that don't cooperate though, right? That is when they hit the dead ends?

Thanks for the info!!!! I appreciate it!

1. Would I give the crypto without proof of life?
Depends on demand amount. Smaller number, possibly if FBI tell me it would make it easier to apprehend this person by tracing wallet movement after receiving the crypto. However, I would have a real concern about what one crypto payoff means for future kidnapping attempts. I can only imagine the stress that decision is causing- which I believe is the “thrill” for this ransom asker of which I’m not even sure is the kidnapper for lack of a better word right now.

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[CHEL]

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Yes… I know that but a thumb on the ground is a little far fetched of a guess which is why I asked.

 

[tricia]

HEY LOOK AT THIS VIDEO - IT'S 90 SECONDS. IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS YET, PLEASE WATCH! I NEED THE ATTENTION. I'M DESPERATE!!!

 

[allboys]

There was blood involved here, and I've been confused because if they do have a suspect, then her blood should be in the car.

Perhaps though, it was the wrong car.

But that too of course.

As far as blood being in the car, when Patrick Frazee murdered Kelsey Berreth, no blood was ever found in his car. (He carried her out in a tote). Terrible case to be remembering. I can imagine scenarios where blood might not be found in a car, even if a victim is bleeding.

 

[LAborn]

Can a person even move 7 milion around in less than a week with how much control the government now has on our banking? Heck I think if you play around with a measly 10 thousand you have to fill out forms. Maybe wealthy people are looked at differently and can move large amounts faster than some of us "little guys"? I just couldn't figure out how a kidnapper thinks you can just go into a bank and get 7 million or move 7 million into bitcoin in a couple days. Can it be done if they wanted it done?

Part of the appeal of bitcoin for some is that it bypasses all that. As far as the family paying it, if they have it, the transaction wouldn't be tough.

 

[jillybean51]

Thanks for pointing this out! The timeline released by PCSO says the camera detected a "person" but Nanos did note in a follow-up question at the presser that it is possible an animal triggered the alert, so I've updated the timeline to clarify that.

Perhaps even Nancy going to answer the door?