AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Sessiebo]

How hard would you have to hit this light to cause this kind of damage? What kind of size and strength level would you have to cause this damage? How high from the ground is the light?

Depends if you hit it with your fists, a brick or a baseball bat i guess

 

[turaj]

He's saying the perpetrator has a connection to KOLD news station. I'm not familiar with local news in the US - is there any connection between this station and SG / Today show?

not really I think SG works for NBC and KOLD is CBS local affiliate.

 

[birdbox]

The name of SIL's band was Early Black and their released album was titled "Live Love Love Murder" Here is link to his bands songs on SoundCloud if interested. Not sure if they are still active or not. Just thought maybe look at band mates. Who knows? Another angle. Everyone's a suspect until they aren't according to the sherrif, right? 10 Early Black Apocalypse Close To Home Lifelovelovemurder

 

[Charlot123]

I know LE/FBI have been at AG’s house several times and have some questions. They could be interviewing each person there, but at what point would they instead interview them at the police station? Maybe this has been done and we’re not aware of it. FBI was photographed carrying out containers from AG’s house a couple days ago, if SIL/AG are not involved, what was removed? And why?! Inquiring minds want to know.

OK someone mentioned AG being a jeweler. Honestly, I would doubt she is "that jeweler", she looks like someone selling her stuff on Etsy, but who knows...

But: Annual Tucson Gem and Mineral shows take place from mid-January to late February, with all pre- and post-shows, and of course, not only vendors come but also, lots of scammers and thieves do. The internet dramas I remember following were usually about someone stealing rough, but what do i know? It is a market-based field with all negative sides of it.

One thing that is important: this industry has been using bitcoins since they emerged.

The show is still running, if I am not mistaken. So I wonder if someone could make a connection with the cryptocurrency group?

I don't suspect AG. In fact, I think she is as innocent as other kids of NG. I am just thinking that Tucson may be full of people from different parts of the world for whom crypto is the norm. This year gold and silver are up, so people may be making less.

 

[AZYaYa]

I don't know if it's true or not, but I've read that their homes were only ten minutes apart. I would think that if the card game were planned in advance, AG would have picked NG up. No matter how wealthy you are, Ubers are still expensive. I feel there may have been some tension between NG and either AG or SIL and NG might have taken the Uber to confront the other person. A lot of older people have difficulty seeing to drive at night. Perhaps the tension escalated from there?

If an older person wants to maintain independence and can't drive much anymore, taking an Uber to your daughter's house is a very good way to "practice" taking an Uber. In this case, it's a short distance, it was light out, and you're expected. I would think an older person might need a few "easy" rides before venturing out to appointments and social engagements on their own. And very responsible for the family to drive her back in darkness and later at night.

 

[muddlehead]

Well, by entering through the garage door, NG wouldn’t have had to bring her keys with her earlier. One less thing on her person/in her purse.

Then how'd she get the garage door open?
Auto Garage door opener?
Easier to carry a key.

EDIT Someone above said keypad.
Yikes
That doesn't seem secure

 

[CSIDreamer]

That broken floodlight has been removed. Forensics?

Floodlight Removed from Nancy Guthrie's Home

A floodlight has seemingly been removed from Nancy Guthrie's back door as investigators rake through her property to find clues about her disappearance.

www.tmz.com

 

[Cardgame]

I couldn’t throw a rock and hit that light to save my soul. Get a ladder and try to dismantle it instead.

Or add it to the profile: excellent throwing skills, great aim. Ball player?

 

[Emerald1328]

Then how'd she get the garage door open?
Auto Garage door opener?
Easier to carry a key.

Most garage doors installed in the past 15ish years have a keypad that can open the door.

 

[Herat]

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My theory. Speculation only.

Persons close to Nancy Guthrie who were in dire financial difficulties concocted a hare-brained and desperate plan to hire pro criminals to kidnap her, forcing a wealthy relative to pay the ransom.

They were assured the old lady would be treated well and merely spend a couple of days watching TV in Mexico until the ransom was paid.

Instead, the kidnappers botched the job and Nancy lost her life during the abduction.

The kidnappers continue to issue demands, despite no longer having her alive, and the people who hired them are left holding the bag.

Nancy will likely never be seen or found again.

The trick would be to get her across the US border into Mexico.

A US passport or passport card is needed if she was a visible passenger. There would be cameras and video that LE could retrieve.

Risky, though. US CPB have the authority to examine vehicles crossing into Mexico, looking for cash, guns, etc. and a white panel van would probably at least be opened. If it was a passenger car, then she could have been in the trunk. All scenarios pretty horrible to think about.

There are 3 border crossings that would be reasonable from Tucson:

Nogales, MAJOR border crossing, 70 miles from Tucson, 1 hour 10 minute drive
Naco, very minor border crossing, 108 miles from Tucson, 2 hour drive
Douglas, very minor border crossing, 123 miles from Tucson, 2 hour 15 minute drive.

Of course, at ~ 3 am, there would be far less road and border traffic. I think this idea of crossing into Mexico is certainly worth pursing.

Of note, there is a Border Fence along the US/ Mexico border in Arizona, but the tall Border Wall has not yet been completed in remote parts, especially the San Rafael Valley area. I get the feeling the border is "leaky" there and someone with local knowledge would be able to identify areas where a hostage could be taken across a small, remote border breach.

 

[Fromeaster]

I also thought that SIL couldn't do it physically without wife's knowing because they live together and he needs an alibi, she would notice that he wasn't at home

 

[outloudthink]

OK someone mentioned AG being a jeweler. Honestly, I would doubt she is "that jeweler", she looks like someone selling her stuff on Etsy, but who knows...

But: Annual Tucson Gem and Mineral shows take place from mid-January to late February, with all pre- and post-shows, and of course, not only vendors come but also, lots of scammers and thieves do. The internet dramas I remember following were usually about someone stealing rough, but what do i know? It is a market-based field with all negative sides of it.

One thing that is important: this industry has been using bitcoins since they emerged.

The show is still running, if I am not mistaken. So I wonder if someone could make a connection with the cryptocurrency group?

I don't suspect AG. In fact, I think she is as innocent as other kids of NG. I am just thinking that Tucson may be full of people from different parts of the world for whom crypto is the norm. This year gold and silver are up, so people may be making less.

The neighbor is some kind of gemologist type. The same neighbor who’s son owns a roofing company and has a criminal record that includes Criminal Trespass and Stalking.

 

[nerosleuth]

There were 2 locks visible in the video's of the front door. That looked to me like a screen door and I'm guessing here that there is a steel door behind that one with a minimum of 1 lock, possibly 2 (door handle and a dead bolt). Unlocking 4 locks takes time. The garage was the easier way.

While unlocking 4 locks would take time, it could be possible that the front door knobs and deadbolts on the entry and security door used the same key.

It also could be possible that the door knobs and deadbolts on the front and back entry doors and security doors used the same key, and the entry door from inside the garage to inside the house had the same key as well.

So in other words rather than using a bunch of keys to open door locks all around the house, a single key can be used instead.

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZ]

If an older person wants to maintain independence and can't drive much anymore, taking an Uber to your daughter's house is a very good way to "practice" taking an Uber. In this case, it's a short distance, it was light out, and you're expected. I would think an older person might need a few "easy" rides before venturing out to appointments and social engagements on their own. And very responsible for the family to drive her back in darkness and later at night.

It would be interesting to know if this was one of her first times using Uber, or if she regularly made a habit of it, and if so, how often she took one to her daughter's house.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Brian Entin shows terrain near NG home with a Border Patrol agent.

 

[Cardgame]

He's saying the perpetrator has a connection to KOLD news station. I'm not familiar with local news in the US - is there any connection between this station and SG / Today show?

He also said that IHO (in his opinion?!) the perp's connection to SG came through his being local, eg someone who knows of NG and that she lives in a big house and has a famous daughter, rather than that SG is the target. Nancy is the target. MOO.

 

[turaj]

Harvey Levin did an interview with Mark Geragos an A Lister defense attorney. He knows how these guys think. He said family just needs to pay the ransom and hope for the best...without proof of life. I tend to agree. Otherwise nothing may happen at all...NG is killed and the kidnappers may never be found. She might be dead but I don't think they have much choice.

 

[Cassie P]

Depends if you hit it with your fists, a brick or a baseball bat i guess

Is it too high off the ground to hit with your fists? Would you need a ladder?
Would a thrown rock be heavy enough to cause this damage?
A baseball bat might work?

 

[clearskies1]

And do we (i.e. - You all) know if she actually ever made it into the house after being "dropped off"?

rsbm.

AFAIK there is zero independent confirmation that she ever made it back to her house. Period.

moo.

It seems her cell phone was found in the house and her pacemaker was connected to her phone until sometime after 2am. There is also her blood outside the front door, which presumably was shed that night. Her being in the house is something I don't really question. Also, I wonder if there is other evidence -- use of a laptop etc -- that places her in the house.

 

[Deidera2027]

Does anyone know the last sighting of NG outside of Annie and her husband's testimony? I understand the LE has backtracked to not giving specifics about who dropped her off but is the Uber ride to Annie's home still a fact? Im sorry but my focus is on this couple. Allowing your 80+ parent to Uber alone and allowing her to walk in by herself at almost 10pm are both red flags for me. I understand there are elderly ppl who can be independent but if you are there locally wouldn't her child want to make sure she gets in and out the house safely.