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I couldn’t throw a rock and hit that light to save my soul. Get a ladder and try to dismantle it instead.
I would have no idea how to dismantle it. The best I could do is get on a ladder and hit it with a bat or large object. I am still not sure if I would be able to damage it like in the picture.
There is no way I could throw a rock to do that kind of damage.
 
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If the perp smashed the flood lights maybe there are finger prints.
On the light or rocks, whatever the used to damage it.
 
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For the thought exercise I got a list of professions: LE, cybersecurity, intelligence, journalists, also dissidents and whistleblowers. But the person can have any job and be a tech nut.

Levin says he thinks the person is local to Tucson, is intelligent, sophisticated, possibly connected to KOLD, and knows of Nancy from around town and believes the person started with Nancy and extrapolated from there, “hey, she has a famous daughter that’s probably rich” rather that starting with Savannah and drilling down for relatives.

He also said the letter is thoughtful, layered, and grammatically correct. Journalists should be well-written and well-spoken. So should teachers and poets.
 
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Right now it's looking like whoever is behind this is a criminal mastermind. I can't believe there are no traceable clues or leads. JMO
Except the breaking of the front door light
Is comically amateurish
 
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Right now it's looking like whoever is behind this is a criminal mastermind. I can't believe there are no traceable clues or leads. JMO
I think you give the criminal too much credit imo, i think there are clues and leads but they just didn't release those to the public. Just imo
 
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I'm thinking golf club for the flood light smashing. Plentiful in Tucson and not immediately obvious as a weapon. A heavy iron could do that easily.

MOO
 
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The trick would be to get her across the US border into Mexico.

A US passport or passport card is needed if she was a visible passenger. There would be cameras and video that LE could retrieve.

Risky, though. US CPB have the authority to examine vehicles crossing into Mexico, looking for cash, guns, etc. and a white panel van would probably at least be opened. If it was a passenger car, then she could have been in the trunk. All scenarios pretty horrible to think about.

There are 3 border crossings that would be reasonable from Tucson:

Nogales, MAJOR border crossing, 70 miles from Tucson, 1 hour 10 minute drive
Naco, very minor border crossing, 108 miles from Tucson, 2 hour drive
Douglas, very minor border crossing, 123 miles from Tucson, 2 hour 15 minute drive.

Of course, at ~ 3 am, there would be far less road and border traffic. I think this idea of crossing into Mexico is certainly worth pursing.

Of note, there is a Border Fence along the US/ Mexico border in Arizona, but the tall Border Wall has not yet been completed in remote parts, especially the San Rafael Valley area. I get the feeling the border is "leaky" there and someone with local knowledge would be able to identify areas where a hostage could be taken across a small, remote border breach.

Here is a photo of the state of the US Mexico border in a remote region of Arizona, the San Rafael Valley, something like 100 miles from Tucson

This gives you an idea of how someone with local knowledge and a suitable vehicle could find a way into Mexico late at night, without using one of the regulated Border Crossings:


There is progress in completing the tall Border Wall, but it is far from complete in this area of southern Arizona
 
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IMO it sounds like a matter of convenience for all. Uber picks her up at her door and drops her at daughter’s house. Family member (SIL) drives her home after dark and due to lateness of hour. Maybe a regular occurrence.
My son-in-law often schedules Uber for me when I train travel to North Jersey to visit them. It involves a change of trains and if wait time is too long between trains, he gets me a ride . Plus I am often towing heavy luggage. I have never ordered one myself but have ridden Uber frequently.
Yes, and let us not leave out Lyft (poor, poor Lyft does't get much mention, but I love it as well!) :)
 
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Sometimes people want "an advance" on the will and it gets denied. If she was going to cut someone out of the will and tell them that .... that would basically be a severance of the relationship. Probably other family members would know about some or all of these things. Just speculating. JMO
Another possibility is that she was giving them money/supplementing their income and told them that had to stop.
 
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I would have no idea how to dismantle it. The best I could do is get on a ladder and hit it with a bat or large object. I am still not sure if I would be able to damage it like in the picture.
There is no way I could throw a rock to do that kind of damage.
I think there is some confusion.

There is/was a light that was to the right of the back door that looked 'smashed', hard enough to mark the brick. It was removed last night and is no longer there.

Then there was something else on the pool house/guest house that was removed. It was smaller and up higher, LE could be seen looking in the bushes below it on the drone footage from the search yesterday. I think this is what the 'throwing a rock' comments are talking about. Whatever it was (camera or another light or a combo), was also removed last night.

Hope that helps!
 
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In the press conference the sheriff said AG's car was impounded through a search warrant. He said something like that was normal or usual to do that. But I feel like it's not normal or usual to do that because the search warrant needs to state a very good reason to have suspicions for taking the car. Obviously theyre searching for evidence/DNA, but the question is why? Obviously NG's DNA would probably be in the car from being driven around by her daughter. So the search warrant had to have specified something more than that. Just my opinion/thoughts that that doesn't seem routine.
Schematics from the car and other evidence, the car shows front and damage, was that already there or new? Was she transported it in somewhere and there’s evidence on/inside the car? Clothing fragments, blood, hair, hers and or someone else’s whose DNA came back as a match?
 
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While unlocking 4 locks would take time, it could be possible that the front door knobs and deadbolts on the entry and security door used the same key.

It also could be possible that the door knobs and deadbolts on the front and back entry doors and security doors used the same key, and the entry door from inside the garage to inside the house had the same key as well.

So in other words rather than using a bunch of keys to open door locks all around the house, a single key can be used instead.
True and I agree with you..it would be so much easier to have 1 than having an overabundance of separate keys weighing you down. Even with 1 key, it takes time to stand there and open all 4 locks.
 
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just listened to Ted Williams (former homicide. detective) who is stunned at the initial police work. He cites leaving the crime scene released to the public so quickly...so much info given out to the public that should not have been and why was the car in garage not processed with original crime scene? Called them keystone cops. I tend to agree.
 
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This is along the lines of where I am. I am thinking NG cut them out of her will or was planning to do so. I think they were counting on this money as neither has high paying or even medium paying jobs. For the siblings you’ve got a fighter pilot, a famous news anchor, and a…. poet? A poet married to a teacher? That type of disparity sticks out to me… what were they doing? How did they live? How much resentment did that cause over the years and some kind of money disagreement with NG could have been the last straw.
I've thought about that. But what it boils sown to me is, were they really that competitive and jealous? I mean, if you're following your dreams, there's no need for that.

I volunteer so much for my city that it's basically a 2nd full time unpaid job. I even have a title lol. My brother doesn't do stuff like that. He has completely different interests and we support each other.

I'm having a hard time lining up dinner and family game night with murder.

JMO
 
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Just musing.
What was NOT said at the PC may have been pertinent.
eg....dodging the "forced entry" questioned
dodging the who took Nancy home
SIL as suspect (everybody is suspect)

Conversely, they did give info we did not know beforehand ...Uber Driver
I don't remember if anyone asked about the church member call, but regardless it was not mentioned. Either because it didn't happen or because it's a detail that they do not want to disclose and have reason not to disclose.
See, I’m with you. I think it’s weird that they mentioned it, it became part of the narrative and it was completely omitted from the PCSO presser. I may be wrong and it might just be an oversight (an intern made the PowerPoint presentation? LOL), but it’s sticking out to me.
 
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