AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Wsimm]

So I work in this area and odds are (with SG's knowledge/wealth and NG's wealth and age) NG may have a trust, not a will. A will is basic and has to go through probate, a time-consuming, expensive, public process. A trust would manage more assets, do so privately, and can set things up financially for grandkids, charities, etc. People would still be beneciaries and get money when she passed away. It would also manage the money that NG lives on and protect it in case nursing home care is needed, etc. But it would all be managed by a trustee. A trustee can be a family member, friend, or a bank/corporation. How this factors into a financial motive may still be the same as if it were a will. I just wanted to clarify in case it matters!

I would guess with her impressive income SG has probably removed herself purposely from any monetary interest in NG’s trust? I’m sure SG’s only interest would be in sentimental items. I am also guessing either SG or her brother are the executor of the trust.

 

[turaj]

Very smart and on many cases when house is in a trust, its tied to their overall estate. There is a trustee and all assets are left to the trust. Then people designated in the trust receive payout and many conditions of the estate and trust can be setup. In my experience, so please dont attack, only people like with larger assets do trusts and estates, leaving homes as part of estate. In my experience in the world folks.

makes sense and given SG is a lawyer I am thinking she might be the executor of the trust. A well written trust will spell out the division of assets.

 

[Walela]

The timeline and distance the cars were driven would be able to give a general sense of places it traveled to. Maybe that’s another factor that’s already been studied and being searched?

IRRC Armstrong's car data placed her exactly on the streets to Wilson's..even had her driving around and around waiting for Wilson to get home so I feel sure that they have the data from the FM car that took NG home and it may be that is why they are now looking for video along the route. They may say they are looking for an unidentified person but that may not be ALL they're looking for.
moo always

 

[birdbox]

Good point. Does the availability of AI prevent ransom note analysis for the purpose of psych profiling?

Legit question. Grok, write me a ransom letter that would be untraceable of any emotion or clues for an elderly lady kidnapping and plot out my strategy to avoid detection....ever.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Just to be fair wasn't there reports prior to this that did claim forced entry? I believe so.

There's a lot of talk going around, but it's always best to hear from a law enforcement officer's mouth. Get to the facts

 

[Friday Fan]

This is the gas stations LE was inquiring at on Friday at 1:58PM MST. Any Arizona locals know which brand/company this is based on gas pumps?
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Maybe Valero


Never mind. Maybe it isn't. Maps shows "Circle K" gas (which are gold) Valeros's blue and they're dominant here, but maybe they they changed their style. These pumps have been here since 2019.

I just can't find any other blue gas pumps. Maybe it's a local energy company???

Valero and Circle K often team up.

https://www.valero.com/themes/custom/valero/logo.svg

Valero Energy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why are you asking about the brand of gas. I know it's a Circle K store.
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[Nikynoo]

@Nikynoo - now take it one more step and ask for the likely occupations of that profile.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[raja]

I’m thinking forced entry may have been from the door inside the garage to the house. I think the perp may have snuck inside the garage when NG was brought home that night. He waited until he thought she would be asleep. After he confronted her he opened the front door and leaning out he disabled the doorbell camera. He then drove her away in her car perhaps after smashing another camera first. The roofing idea is also on my mind. Perhaps that one camera smashed was an oops I accidentally broke it not. The camera on the pool house may have been disabled on purpose while work was done.

 

[Napoli]

It's possible that the car was taken to pull data from the onboard computers that would confirm the route the car was driven when the FM took NG home and the route driven when the FM returned to the FM home. I forget from the Kaitlin Armstrong trial if the auto data also had the time along with the route she drove the night she murdered Mo Wilson but I think it did. I didn't know cars did that until that trial.

The family member didnt take nancy home in her own car. She went to her daughter's via uber. Reportedly, she was driven back home after dinner by "family". They impounded Nancy's Subaru from her garage.

 

[birdbox]

makes sense and given SG is a lawyer I am thinking she might be the executor of the trust. A well written trust will spell out the division of assets.

You know she is. My sister is an attorney and of course she was my dad's executor, despite me being the oldest and having a degree in finance and working on PhD in cybersecurity. That law degree is going to trump out just about anything! Lol!!

 

[Deepinthought52]

curious if there would be any proof of life or what response would be if a nominal amount like $10 was sent. Somebody liking publicity and power if real. Jmo

 

[tricia]

Where is the link to a forced entry? As the sheriff has reported to the media that they won't be disclosing this
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Aphrodite said she will be back on the board later tonight. I will ask her to provide the information about the forced entry.

 

[PacoElFlaco]

Don’t know if this has been mentioned about the ‘movie quotes’ in SG’s response: sometimes there are family jokes which refer to something one member finds interesting or amusing, phrases from The Godfather, Austin Powers, etc. Could the SOTL quotes be a particular phrase used or enjoyed by a possible POI?

Either it's a standard script that FBI uses for this situation, which the writers of Silence of the Lambs used for accuracy, or maybe Annie the writer of the family (with a seemingly morbid imagination, given descriptions of her poetry) was selected by the family to write the statement, and she quoted the movie deliberately.

 

[Sadi]

Very rapid developments last night...

Very quiet today...

Lull before the storm --

I believe it's coming.

JMO

1000%

 

[shadowsc]

Harvey Levin did an interview with Mark Geragos an A Lister defense attorney. He knows how these guys think. He said family just needs to pay the ransom and hope for the best...without proof of life. I tend to agree. Otherwise nothing may happen at all...NG is killed and the kidnappers may never be found. She might be dead but I don't think they have much choice.

They should probably pay it. Hell, NBC should secretly pay it. NG comes back, SG comes back, Today Show ratings go through the roof. I don't mean to be flip. Just that, they have the means, at this point, do you just take your chances. The DT comment about "a solution" was an odd choice of words, but who knows, he likes saying words. It actually did make me think for the first time that Nancy could still be alive. I don't know. This whole case is off the rails. We may never know.

 

[Moonchime]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020205198866837889

Wow! The most important information here is that they are canvassing the area between the two houses.

 

[LifeAsAHouse]

I thought the plea by her son yesterday was luke warm at best. I would have expected a former military guy, career National Guard is what has been said, would have spoken more man to man..

My point of view is colored by the fact that I have a lone brother in a sea of sisters. In any emotionally charge situation my brother is the least likely to speak and if he is pushed to do so he chooses few words and refrains from showing emotion. When I saw NG‘s son’s plea, my own brother’s way of responding was the first thing that entered my mind.

 

[Janitor101]

I've lurked around and researched old threads on here for awhile but I've never been able to jump on WHILE a case was unfolding.

This is a wild situation. Personally, I'm starting to think the ransom/kidnapping & disappearance are two different crimes being committed, with the ransom for a kidnap return just being someone attempting to take a really unsavory advantage of a sad situation.

Something I saw mentioned a ways back, who knows how far, but sexual assaults on elderly women do happen more than we'd like to think they would. Elderly women don't strike people as "sexually appealing" but we know rape isn't about sex, it's a violent crime of power. For someone who maybe has not previously acted on their desire, an 84 year old woman with a pacemaker and mobility issues is a bit of a "wounded gazelle" in terms of potential victims. Not saying that this is the case here, obviously JMOO but a beginner predator who perhaps had previously encountered NG (whether tangentially known as someone who worked on the home or for NG) may have entered with one crime in mind, a sexual assault, and the next thing you know, between being off balance and blood thinners, bad heart, etc. suddenly someone is deceased...it would not shock me at this point. But the timing of that first ransom demand, the repeat with no new demands, and then ultimately sending it to TMZ? I think that may truly be a different sicko taking advantage of a sad situation.

Typically, sexual assaults committed against elderly women are most often perpetrated by men in their teens or early 20's, and tend to be neighbors and live locally. I can't fathom an assault victim who also might have been fatally injured during an attack would be taken from the home under any circumstances. For what reason?

For me, that theory is the least likely one to have occurred in this case.

 

[PipeyRella]

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thank you! i found it. That was quite the rabbit hole to go down, that man is deeply upwell I ended up on his youtube page lol. If it ends up having anything to do with that Lisa Frank factory I think you found the guy lol

 

[MissPie]

First of all, I want to apologize for jumping the gun regarding the white van being found. I got that tip from a valued source this morning, but all these hours later, I went back to my source and the tip was walked back. Unfortunately, there's been a bungled investigation, calling to mind "shades of Jon Benet Ramsey" where misinformation ran rampant. In fact, it seems Donald Trump was also jumping the gun yesterday when he suggested that information from the FBI or DOJ "could come out soon," hinting that a suspect had been identified. That comment was made over 18 hours ago, with no follow up -- yet. All of this leaves us in the dark, hoping that sophisticated FBI devices will be able to identify Nancy's abductor.

LET ME ADD THIS: Savannah is a person of faith who has total belief in the power of prayer. In fact, in 2024, she published a bestseller titled "Mostly What God Does," describing how her faith helped her during the most difficult times in her life. OF COURSE she and her family are praying and believing that Nancy is alive, and why would anyone want to squelch that hope?

At the same time, the intense focus on this case, fueled by the combination of celebrity, crime, and mystery, has become a national obsession. We have not seen this much media coverage since the O.J. Simpson case, and it makes sense that the public wants to help. There ARE signs of forced entry into that house, and many of Nancy's neighbors fear there's a killer on the loose. And meantime, LET US PRAY.

Thank you so kindly for coming back to update and clarify what you’ve learned. Sending so much love to all of Nancy’s family and friends. I am adding my prayers for her safe return.