AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[birdbox]

Do any blood spatter experts know if you’d be able to stage the blood? How? Syringe?

Ill bet a biology teacher might have a lot of cool tools at their disposal.

 

[Strangeworld]

@tricia and mods, I just wanted to say what a fabulous job you are all doing to keep everything flowing as smoothly as possible in this thread.

I know we don't always see the cleanup of posts you have to do, but I sense it hasn't been as much as what it could have been which is great. And it hasn't had to be closed down as often as other threads.

What I've liked in this thread is that its been a bit more relaxed, I think the allowance for self-regulation has taken some of the pressure off posting - apart from a few of us from time to time drifting from the purpose of this thread, you've allowed us some general chat, some theories that would normally be shut down, links/sources of information that would normally be highly scrutinised/not allowed and I would say this would be one of the most community-focused threads on here in a long time.

My most memorable case on here was Allison Baden-Clay and Nancy's thread here has made me feel the same connection to other WSers, something that has been a little challenging in recent times when, IMO, it has felt a bit overgoverned in the moderation of comments (not a negative, just the ebb and flow of how you manage the site and keep us all legal lol).

People seem to have felt comfortable sharing, apart from a few random comments that were likely just a little tense from all the emotion in this case, and generally everyone has been free to just talk about how they are feeling about what has unfolded, and explore even the most out there possibilities.

And something that really stands out is the sharing of emotion, raw emotion. This is a hard case to follow, a beautiful caring older woman Nancy is and it hits hard when many of us have or have had beautiful caring older women in our lives. It's not a reality any of us would want to live through or see happen in our families.

I hope this is the way forward for WS - it doesn't feel like Facebook chatter, but its a little less overmanaged than some threads have been in the recent past

Its felt warm, not too sterile

THANK YOU!!

 

[InspectGadget]

I would like to know how the family celebrated NG's birthday on 27th Jan. Was it a regular thing for her to Uber over to AG/TC's place for a family games night? Some idea of the dynamics would help, but I guess we won't know these yet.

I may be too naive, but it seems unfathomable to me that family would go to such lengths to conceal something? It would involve more than one person if anything occurred at AG/TC's house, and I cannot begin to imagine AG being on these video appeals whilst knowing what has gone on. It is truly an unbearable thought.

Why would the family be offering to pay, if the ransom notes are fake and the police are actually suspecting TC?

Bbm but re her birthday I was thinking celebrate could be a reference to a family member’s birthday etc. They seemed more passive in the video imo. My interpretation was they recognized and showed respect for the power the sender/s have.
It’s almost impossible to interpret without more context unfortunately so just me throwing something out there.

 

[missy1974]

So 2nd vehicle is leaving.

They didn't seem to take much if anything from the house.

Strange?

3rd and last one is leaving.

 

[Bluewing3102]

A Deputy just left AG's house.

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Deputy who got into one of the SUVs had blue gloves on.

 

[Cottonn]

I still think the ransom was afterthought and ruse to pull suspicion away from the true suspect. I'll be curious to hear about any life insurance taken out on Nancy. The only places we have seen large police/fbi presence/searches are Nancy's and Annie's and those are only vehicles seized. I think that says a lot even if police don't say

 

[Cassie P]

I’m sure by the time I finish this thought, there will be about 30 more messages posted here, but for now I’m caught up. The one thing that’s bothering me (and I agree with the majority at this point the direction this is heading in terms of potential perp) is the amount of coordination this would have take to have so many things staged at NG’s home. Yes the blood drops could’ve been from some other unrelated earlier injury, or maybe even put there by the suspect to stage that she made it home. But then, add in the clues of the time of the garage door opening/closing, camera(s) disconnect and motion detection timing, watch/pacemaker sync ending time, etc… it just seems like a LOT to coordinate in a relatively short amount of time.
Although… add in a possibility of an additional non-relative being involved as accomplice and I suppose it could add up. Just doesn’t feel like it would’ve taken THIS long for LE to put these pieces together.

This is a good point. This seems like quite a bit to do in a short period of time, perhaps we are looking at premeditated murder. The plan was thought out ahead of time.

Though it is possible for two smart people to pull it off without pre-planning. Someone smart and a take charge kind of person, who can think on their feet.

In all fairness to LE, once the ransom notes started coming in, they felt obligated to put resources into finding NG who may have still been alive?

 

[emigrate]

If SIL/AG were involved, I’m struggling to make sense of the timeline (even assuming the ransom demands are unrelated).

The first scenario, that NG never left their home after dinner, seems difficult to match with the pacemaker connectivity data. How would her pacemaker connect to her Apple Watch until around 2am? The Apple Watch was found at NG’s home and I would imagine one of the first things LE did was run digital forensics to see where the watch was and when, so both NG and the watch would’ve had to return back to NG’s house.

The second scenario, that NG was indeed taken from her home at the time her pacemaker lost connection with the Apple Watch at around 2am is also confusing, albeit much less so. If SIL/AG were responsible, why the blood? I could see staging the scene to make it look like there was forced entry, but as family, they would have likely been able to remove her from home and get her into a car without resorting to violence (for example, “so-and-so is sick and at the hospital and we need to go now”).

MOO.

If what we are all starting to think, if they are involved then most of the timeline is moot

 

[Wsimm]

If SIL/AG were involved, I’m struggling to make sense of the timeline (even assuming the ransom demands are unrelated).

The first scenario, that NG never left their home after dinner, seems difficult to match with the pacemaker connectivity data. How would her pacemaker connect to her Apple Watch until around 2am? The Apple Watch was found at NG’s home and I would imagine one of the first things LE did was run digital forensics to see where the watch was and when, so both NG and the watch would’ve had to return back to NG’s house.

The second scenario, that NG was indeed taken from her home at the time her pacemaker lost connection with the Apple Watch at around 2am is also confusing, albeit much less so. If SIL/AG were responsible, why the blood? I could see staging the scene to make it look like there was forced entry, but as family, they would have likely been able to remove her from home and get her into a car without resorting to violence (for example, “so-and-so is sick and at the hospital and we need to go now”).

MOO.

What if NG’s Subaru was not in the garage when she left for AG’s and SIL house? Maybe the Subaru was already at AG’s house (mechanical issue or used as a loaner)? This would explain the Uber drive over to their house with the thought being, NG driving it home at the end of evening? Instead, someone else drove the Subaru home with NG in it, either alive or unconscious? Once the garage door shut at 9:50 the plan could unfold. Several hours later a “white van” shows up to remove both NG and whoever drove the Subaru home? All speculation on my part!

 

[txsleuth70]

If you knew the passcode, how would an Apple watch know that it was her and not someone else whose wrist it was on?

Just like a phone, if you know the passcode and are not using either a fingerprint login or a facial recognition login, how would you know who was using it?

Not everyone uses a passcode on their iWatch or phone.

 

[browneyes]

I am now more than 100 pages behind in spite of attempting to catch up for the last 2 hours! So I've just deciddd

You haven’t missed much except LE has been at AG’s house for over 3 hours taking pictures and/or searching.

 

[keek]

Do AG and the SIL have children? I’m asking because if NG came over for dinner and games, I’d imagine the kids would’ve joined them. I’d be interested in knowing their version of events (what time NG showed up, what time she left, how was the mood during the visit, etc.)

One child about 10 ish I believe. Brutal for all these grandchildren, so young. Never fair. IMO

 

[priyaya]

but didn't they say at the press conference that there was a spike in heart rate at 2am?

No. Only that it didn't connect

 

[InspectGadget]

If you knew the passcode, how would an Apple watch know that it was her and not someone else whose wrist it was on?

Just like a phone, if you know the passcode and are not using either a fingerprint login or a facial recognition login, how would you know who was using it?

How Does Apple Watch Collect Data? Demystifying The Process » DapperWork

The Apple Watch uses sensors like heart rate monitors, GPS, and accelerometers to collect data on physical activity, sleep patterns, and more. This data is then analyzed by the watch's algorithms to provide valuable insights for users.

dapperwork.com

will report my post bc it’s not msm-it was the first article I could find that gives details on all the data it collects and how.
I know it has been used in other cases-maybe someone can recall one?
Their heart rate etc would be different-it actually tracks so much I don’t think that they could hide it imo.

 

[bajaflash]

If this is what it looks like, SG's life is ruined. I don't know how she could ever recover from the horror and betrayal. I'm so sorry.

I hope for a path to healing. Its possible. So. So hard. So many awful days. Its not fair for her.

 

[Moonchime]

More Lifetime or Oxygen, less Hallmark. I'm not picturing a lovely ending here.

There’s no happy ending in sight here. It’s like we're watching a real-life horror film unfold, and the tragedy of it all is genuinely heartbreaking.

 

[Luna20]

Could they be holding him and got the search warrant for tonight? There has to be some reason he is missing and not sitting holding his wifes hand. What would they have been able to pin on him? Him being so close to Mexico border that would be a major flight risk so I think it was a must to find something they can hold him on and then get all their ducks in a row quickly because they can only hold him so long without major evidence right? I think they are getting that the last 2 days. I think he is cooked.

He could be on the run. SG may have been appealing to him in the video.

 

[TexLil]

I wonder if, after tonight, we'll see all three siblings together for any more videos. MOO

 

[emigrate]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020365491257352661

Today might be the day

 

[HoveringWombats]

Can we please not keep parroting the $40M net worth of SG as if it's a fact? These websites that claim to show celebrities' net worth (and then the AI chatbots that ingested them and try to summarize them) are notoriously bogus. I'm not saying she doesn't have money but we don't know the figure and throwing out a specific amount is just irresponsible and almost definitely wrong (even ignoring what someone else earlier pointed out, that "net worth" is not the same thing as "money in the bank"). It could be more, it could be less, but the truth is we have no idea, so let's stop acting like we do.