AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[TheDinks]

Yes, but I was just describing the notes received since we just learned last night of the actual ransom demand amount and the actual deadline times.

Who do you think they are appealing to in the latest appeal - Annie's husband?

So firstly, imo POL has never been provided. I don't think the siblings have been made aware yet of the official direction the main investigation may be going... the appeal was to the kidnapper(s), whomever that may be.

It is possible, with all their digital forensics etc that FBI have just not been able to ascertain yet (definitively) whether ransom demands have come from actual abductor (or accomplice) in which case they have to support the family in going ahead with responses to the ransom notes. The siblings desperately want their mom returned, even if that means deceased and agreed to pay.

Return of Ms Guthrie is unlikely to happen, even if this is a genuine kidnap for ransom situation. Anyone that heartless to have undertaken such a heinous crime are unlikely to risk being captured by upholding their end of the bargain once they have the coin.

 

[pharmad]

I just noticed something... The front door where the blood is, I was browsing street view through different dates, and the 'plant' scattered around the door previous years had that exact plant in the pot that is now empty.

This makes me wonder if they pulled up the plant? Key? Evidence? Blood? the image I grabbed was from Nov 2025. May be nothing.. just saw this., tried my best to enhance it... best I could do. But she had that same plant in similar pots in the front.

 

[katydid23]

It's absolutely a scenario, but what a huge weight for everyone left behind. I find it difficult to process the levels of quick "panic planning" that would have to be involved, with a potential child as a witness too.

Of course, if the ransom notes are a cover up, NG isn't coming home alive either way as she'd know too much.

It's just very very sad.

I don't think the family members have anything to do with the bitcoin ransom.

Ransom demands usually come in pretty quickly and are address ONLY to the person with the family purse strings.

If this was the cartel, or a local mob/gang, or a roofer who saw a chance to kidnap an elderly woman, they'd have left the note in the house, or called Savannah herself and asked for money within 48 hours AND DONT TELL ANYONE OR SHE"S DEAD.

Nothing about these ransom notes make sense to me.

I think they are being sent by crazy opportunists, who saw it on the news and decided to do a crazy con job and see if they could get 6 million bucks for nothing.


I don't think the actual kidnappers are trying to get bitcoin. But I could be very wrong.

I guess it is slightly possible that the actual kidnappers panicked and decided this might be a good diversion to deflect attention on them?

 

[Hexe]

Im sorry then, the last I read last night it was locked. Thanks for clearing that up!
Although Ive found this just now, where did you find the information please?

There is a link in my previous reply, though DM is not the only news outlet that reported the door was unlocked.

 

[Hexe]

Any thoughts on why the SIL bands Facebook page might’ve been removed?

Pretty much because they had a flurry of very much unwanted comments about the SIL's alleged involvement in Nancy's vanishing.

MOO

 

[PacoElFlaco]

I have read little tidbits of info on several people who have stood out on this thread. Can someone point me in the direction of sources for more info on them?

Tomasso's bandmate who some have indicated may have some connection to the case.
A neighbor with a son who has a record for stalking and trespass
Another neighbor with a white beard who was enthusiastic about injecting himself into the situation.

 

[shonyakay]

I wished there was a poll for this one. I am interested in seeing the percentages.

 

[shonyakay]

I just noticed something... The front door where the blood is, I was browsing street view through different dates, and the 'plant' scattered around the door previous years had that exact plant in the pot that is now empty.

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This makes me wonder if they pulled up the plant? Key? Evidence? Blood? the image I grabbed was from Nov 2025. May be nothing.. just saw this., tried my best to enhance it... best I could do. But she had that same plant in similar pots in the front.

Is that the same planter just without the plant?

 

[Napoli]

To me, SG's instagram from Saturday night sounded like she was TOLD to insert certain words by the perps as a signal. I also think that the family and the law dont understand that the perps have all the power. The perps are not going to continue with contact, emails etc. Every "contact" potentially exposes the perps. The perps have all the power. The family has none. No request for life because, possibly, that was part of the latest demand from the perps. Something like "Dont rewrite our rules". It's an effort to keep the family helpless and the perps in control. Latest instagram was more than words or agreement...IMO, it was a signal with odd words chosen by the perps that actually mean something else. JMO

 

[Nikynoo]

Good point, but I have to admit that the timing is a bit odd. The delay might be because they were waiting to get a search warrant and finally got one. Just a guess.

They had grounds for a search warrant from the get go imo. Seeing as there have been numerous searches at NGs property, nothing would surprise me for this particular search. LE are being thorough and that is all imo.

 

[tbgo]

To me, SG's instagram from Saturday night sounded like she was TOLD to insert certain words by the perps as a signal. I also think that the family and the law dont understand that the perps have all the power. The perps are not going to continue with contact, emails etc. Every "contact" potentially exposes the perps. The perps have all the power. The family has none. No request for life because, possibly, that was part of the latest demand from the perps. Something like "Dont rewrite our rules". It's an effort to keep the family helpless and the perps in control. Latest instagram was more than words or agreement...IMO, it was a signal with odd words chosen by the perps that actually mean something else. JMO

I do wonder if they already know it’s someone close to home and they’re going along with this ransom thing to keep the family distracted if it is in fact one of them. I wouldn’t be surprised. Hell, the last ransom message may have been planted by the FBI. Who knows?

Good point, but I have to admit that the timing is a bit odd. The delay might be because they were waiting to get a search warrant and finally got one. Just a guess.

They can get a search warrant pretty quickly. It doesn’t take much.

 

[pharmad]

It's so odd looking at the Criminal Map around NG's home.

I know they probably followed up on them because everyone in that area are on high alert.. but the 2 in the same spot is interesting..

 

[pharmad]

Is that the same planter just without the plant?

Yeah, same looking pot from what I can tell, Nov 2025 had that plant similar to one further out, and now a small amount was scattered. Makes me wonder if they grabbed the rest to dipose of.. might've had blood on it? It's hard to say but odd..

 

[Curiousraccoon]

Yeah, same looking pot from what I can tell, Nov 2025 had that plant similar to one futhure out, and now a small amount was scattered. Makes me wonder if they grabbed the rest to dipose of.. might've had blood on it? It's hard to say but odd..

There was someone earlier here who speculated that Nancy kept an extra key inside the pot and someone knew it and got the key
I don't know if we discredited this idea or even discussed it throughly

 

[pharmad]

There was someone earlier here who speculated that Nancy kept an extra key inside the pot and someone knew it and got the key
I don't know if we discredited this idea or even discussed it throughly

It would make sense, but that took someone who really knew her.. which doesn't help SIL. That's not something you'd look for when she had planters/ornaments everywhere to place a key.

 

[InVinoVeritas]

There was someone earlier here who speculated that Nancy kept an extra key inside the pot and someone knew it and got the key
I don't know if we discredited this idea or even discussed it throughly

I can imagine someone now in a panic, trying to find the key and destroying the plant in the process.

 

[VicBlazey]

Yeah, same looking pot from what I can tell, Nov 2025 had that plant similar to one further out, and now a small amount was scattered. Makes me wonder if they grabbed the rest to dipose of.. might've had blood on it? It's hard to say but odd..

I hope that pot has been checked for any forensic material underneath!

 

[detective.moon]

I wished there was a poll for this one. I am interested in seeing the percentages.

going to attempt to do a poll! though it’s not really the same of course

react to this post with an
if you suspect someone close to NG
if you suspect someone who knew NG as an acquaintance
if you suspect a stranger
if you really don’t know what to think
anymore!

(randomly choosen emojis, and of course not trying to make light of this awful situation at all. just to get an idea of what people think)

edit: to clarify, the question here is who is responsible for nancy’s disappearance

 

[Curiousraccoon]

At the same time, It's a bit cliche to keep a key right in or under the front door flower pot.. Given that other doors in the back are not gated, if it was me, or keep a key in the Casita or the treehouse or somewhere in the backyard, somewhere less obvious that the flower pot

 

[pharmad]

At the same time, It's a bit cliche to keep a key right in or under the front door flower pot.. Given that other doors in the back are not gated, if it was me, or keep a key in the Casita or the treehouse or somewhere in the backyard, somewhere less obvious that the flower pot

Well.. not if you lived alone like NG did, she would place it somewhere easily accessible I'm sure, thinking for herself or family. It is cliche.. but happens all the time sadly.

or.. due to the amount of time before anyone noticed, the perp came back but he already took out the front door camera, one they knew of, so after leaving with NG and coming back without her to check things, would pull it up if a key was there. Knowing no camera isn't there anymore. Diposed of it to get rid of the "idea" of a key being there, meaning someone close.

It's plausible they came back, with the amount of time.. could've been more evidence but didn't have time and decided to come back, but it would've been a bad idea to go in the same place you went in previously (ie back, etc), knowing of the "Key" in the pot, grabbed it because you orginally locked the door leaving with NG. This would throw investigators off a bit, they are probably thinking its from a scuffle.