AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SMK777]

I was just watching the Aileen Wuornos documentary. Her partner was caught up during the crimes and was the one who encouraged Aileen to confess in the end. I think we underestimate how hard it can be for the female partners of those who do the unthinkable. There was also an extremely high profile case in my country where a female partner of a double child killer was done for perverting the course of justice for providing an alibi to police about her partner.

Yes, because the woman is dependent on the suspect, and her life is intertwined with theirs.

 

[Fascinated1]

Would mail to these properties be intercepted at this time? Given how easily it was to locate NG's address online, and also AG's address, I suspect LE would be intercepting anything arriving since they started the investigation?

Unless it was left somewhere for them to find by the guy they were looking for yesterday…

 

[missyh81]

I was watching an interview with Greg Yovane a former hostage negotiator and he said “the technology today, that’s going on [bitcoin/untraceable emails], is hindering investigations because it’s so advanced. It’s making it difficult.” and that just made me so angry.

I get that they want to nab the perpetrators. We all want the bad actors arrested and to pay for their crimes, but that can be worked on AFTER the safe return of the kidnapped person. IMO, I would be so angry at the FBI putting more emphasis on identifying the kidnappers and locating them than rescuing my loved one. If I had means to pay and they thought there was even a shred of validity to the ransom note, I’d pay immediately. I get that they also tend to think that if you pay the kidnappers will just take the money and kill the person anyway, but there’s a chance that they’re not wanting to commit murder and are only after money which is what I believe in this case. Now too much time has passed because they were trying to solve the kidnapping rather than resolve it, and IMO they’ve obviously been told that Nancy is no longer alive but if they pay still they can have her body back.

Uggg. I’m heartbroken and angry.

 

[mikeshanty]

I’m not as confident as you are, but: On February 4th, Sheriff Nanios refused to confirm whether a car was seized. On February 5, Sheriff Nanos refuses to discuss the car taken from “the home”.

NG’s car was taken on Friday February 6th - after that statement by the Sheriff.

MOO but there seem to have been two cars taken by LE for processing. JMO.

Also my opinion that the MSM is not doing any investigative reporting on this story at all. The findings of the independent journalists like AB and Brian Entin and outlets like Fox News are bringing new reporting that’s difficult to discuss here. I totally understand the rule and why we have it (thank you, Tricia), but it’s frustrating. I wonder if they’re hands-off because it’s one of their own.

What is the rule you refer to? And I agree, MSM are reporting basic minimum facts. For example, reporting on the latest Instagram video but not really providing any comment on what can be inferred reading between the lines.

 

[Missyrocks5]

AG may have felt that she too would be implicated. Calling 911 would also mean the arrest of her husband, public exposure, and the destruction of her family life. MOO

I see what you were saying, but I cannot see that angle. I cannot imagine in 1 million years if your spouse does something like that, you know you are going to be presumed part of it, that you don't distance yourself. I think just the opposite. I cannot imagine in 1 million years that if that went down at my home with my spouse, that I would not be coming up with something to plausibly claim my innocence. And the fact that she did not contact the police, to me, would speak volumes on her involvement and trying to come up with maybe the ransom thing or something to try to clean up IMO.

It also would make me wonder more about her potentially being the impetus for it. In other words, if the husband went off in anger and did something, wouldn't he try to protect his wife to try to distance herself from it and come up with something to make it look like she had no part of it? Instead a kidnapping scenario?

 

[stmichael]

I agree the domestic gone wrong is a plausible scenario. But the ransom cover up theory is still too sophisticated for someone with AG's profile. How would they be engaging in this while under heavy scrutiny of LE? If there is another party involved, this increases the likelihood of SIL / AG being found out. Statistically, the more people required to enforce a "cover up" the more probable it becomes of the whole thing collapsing.

Agreed that the hard part would be the engaging. But are they really under that much scrutiny? Are they really having all their comms monitored? We're talking about two emails, one sent early on when Nanos was bungling things on his own. Maybe now that the FBI got involved, still, maybe not.

It's also more likely someone else completely unrelated is scamming the whole "ransom" note and they're just playing along. Such opportunistic attempts historically came in with every high profile kidnapping cases (going back to the 1931 Lindbergh baby case) and it today's AI deepfake world such scams are not uncommon. The whole "ransom" angle is very thin as many experts have pointed out, the proof is very circumstantial and hasn't been followed up with any more "proof:' as far as we know. It's basically a crap shoot seeing if they'll deposit bitcoin in a hard to trace scenario (and we already had one fraud arrested in this case).

It does seem that there are different moving parts in this case (as bolstered by the investigation at AG's house).

 

[BigCityAccountant1]

Not sure the validity of this but I've heard it mentioned that if they are investigating a kidnapping - FBI is the lead. If they are investigating a homicide - Police/Sheriff's Dept. is the lead.

In actuality - The local law inforcement is leading the investigation with the FBI offering any resources and assistance local LE needs.

Ok, I get this but wouldn't FBI be overseeing what was going on to ensure a seal tight case? Wouldn't FBI personnel accompany local LE? That is why I'm under the impression FBI is in charge and sheriff's office is doing their own thing.

 

[Wsimm]

Yes, I also read in the Daily Mail about the silver briefcase but don't know what to make of it.

Investigators focus on Annie Guthrie's house in search for mom Nancy

As the search for Nancy Guthrie, 84, stretched past its seventh day, law enforcement returned to her daughter's Annie's home in Tucson, Arizona on Saturday night to seize new evidence.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I thought the “silver briefcase” was taken out of LE vehicle and brought into AG’s home? I heard someone describe it as a folding table later on in the night.

 

[Cipher Vale]

First and foremost - I think everyone's ideas, questions, and theories are just as valid as everyone else's. I wrote a whole theory that I know includes some wild speculation and questionable assumptions. But I want to challenge some of the things I'm reading, not to say anyone is wrong, but to help shape my own ideas better.
1) I'm reading theories where SG is the reason for what happened. Some of these theories seem centered around SG being pulled off the Olympics coverage, retaliation for her political statements, and/or terrorist or foreign actors. In my thinking, none of that makes sense. There are journalists and public figures with far more "offensive" statements who also cover major global events - why wouldn't they be targeted? Wouldn't there be a public statement by the group, person, organization responsible if this was done to "punish" SG for some reason?
2) Absolving the SIL because NG was over at his house for dinner. I'm not sure that means anything. There are plenty of cases where otherwise wholesome things happen just before a violent crime is committed by one of the participants. I also think to suicides where the person was "happy and playing with his son" before taking their own life hours later. So I'm not sure having dinner with NG equals SIL not being involved.
3) Evidence collection at AG house and garage. I'm under the impression they found evidence that connects someone at the house with the kidnapping - the garage being where DNA from whoever getting out of the car and walking through the garage, items used to plan or assist in the kidnapping, etc. Could the large rolled up item be a blueprint of AG house to show any hidden crawl spaces, septic tanks, etc? I'm not so sure a body part was mailed (easily tracked as a package isn't that easy to just drop off without some camera or witness coverage and just packaging it to avoid smell, leaking of fluids, etc).
4) Teens involved as Bitcoin was the ransom medium. Yes - but: SIL is a high school teacher. I think about a friend of mine who doesn't have kids - shes's a 2nd grade teacher and she is well versed in all the shows that age group watches. It wouldn't be a stretch to believe a high school teacher is very well versed in bitcoin and the "assumption" that it is a secure and anonymous way to be paid.
5) CG being stoic because of his military background. Yes, I see where this is coming from. I'm also a military veteran - but I would say for myself and anyone else I know - being emotionless with my own mother, kids, etc just wouldn't be a thing. I've also seen combat vets now in LE break down at crime scenes involving things that are too close to home. I don't see CM as being stoic in these videos. I see him being pissed off and trying to hide it. I see a man whose eyes are telling the abductor "I know who you are and I'll f**king kill you if I get my hands on you" - I'd be curious about the relationship between CM and the SIL.
6) Some food for thought: Has anyone seen ANY pictures posted with NG and the SIL? Or CG and the SIL? Do we have any evidence that the SIL was "part of the family" or close to CG or SG? Even a pic with the SIL face blurred and NG, SG, or CG in the pic as well? I haven't and I think there is a reason for that.

 

[mikeshanty]

Agreed that the hard part would be the engaging. But are they really under that much scrutiny? Are they really having all their comms monitored? We're talking about two emails, one sent early on when Nanos was bungling things on his own. Maybe now that the FBI got involved, still, maybe not.

It's also more likely someone else completely unrelated is scamming the whole "ransom" note and they're just playing along. Such opportunistic attempts historically came in with every high profile kidnapping cases (going back to the 1931 Lindbergh baby case) and it today's AI deepfake world such scams are not uncommon. The whole "ransom" angle is very thin as many experts have pointed out, the proof is very circumstantial and hasn't been followed up with any more "proof:' as far as we know. It's basically a crap shoot seeing if they'll deposit bitcoin in a hard to trace scenario (and we already had one fraud arrested in this case).

It does seem that there are different moving parts in this case (as bolstered by the investigation at AG's house).

Good point. I'm not sure what state law provides for covert surveillance. I would have assumed SIL and AG are under covert surveillance if legally permitted.

 

[Sarahlou]

I believe she returned home that night. I highly doubt anyone planted blood.

 

[Aquabot13]

I don't find it hard to believe that someone in the family is involved, but I do think the most likely scenario for that involves some sort of unintentional violence or escalation, followed by a messy cover-up.

I just can't reconcile how someone could sit with their distraught family for a week and allow things to continue to spiral. Unless someone is completely psychopathic, I'd think they would be breaking down and giving up the ruse.

Clearly there's love between the siblings. I could forgive my sibling for an accident and poorly thought-out cover up that spiraled out of control. I could not forgive my sibling for putting me through this week+ of torture, humiliation, and false hope.

MOO

 

[Elle*Bee]

Did anyone read in the news this morning thst there was focus around a silver briefcase at AG home? I guess LE was taking photos of this silver briefcase. What was inside i am curious? Was it something mailed as proof of life? A wedding ring, body part? Maybe this was the kidnapper way to communicate so they aren't tracked digitally??

In one of the videos released last night by a reporter, they showed a deputy entering the house with what was described as a silver briefcase. At least one person here commented that it looked larger that a standard briefcase and suggested it might be a folding table.

 

[MAHBOOBOO]

What are people’s thoughts on the towing of Nancy’s car from the garage? Do they think she actually used the car that night? They took it when they came back in some sort of renewed search, but I’m struggling to put together what that might mean.

I think the kidnappers wanted to get something out of the car, like a walker or a refilled prescription so they could keep Nancy comfortable/safe. So I think LE took the car to fingerprint it/test it for touch DNA.

 

[Wishbone]

The word “celebrate” that was used in the last response by the family seems odd to me. I have seen that term mentioned after a loved one has departed and a celebration of life is held in their memory.

 

[ab01]

There’s alot of speculation that NG never returned home.

She had to of, pacemaker, watch, phone would all show investigators that she did. And it would have been extremely easy to verify quickly.

There would be no way of fooling an investigator on those facts.

They know SIL dropped NG off at such and such a time. It’s not disputed, and investigators timeline proves that.

If something happened to NG in AG’s garage/home it had to have happened at a later time

 

[birdbox]

I have a comment. If I take an Uber to a spot, I'm normally going to take it back as well. Normally. No need to blast me. Either you are comfortable with Uber or you aren't. That's just me. My opinion. If I take it there, im taking it back. If I was concerned for safety, well they already know my address, they picked me up earlier. It doesnt add up to me, thats all. Just me. I get it.

 

[Deepinthought52]

Sorry if i missed it, but what was the deal with the valero gas station? Is there condemning camera coverage that they found?

 

[SaraSmile]

What restaurant?

I thought the restaurant was a few days earlier, on her actual bday.
JMO

 

[turaj]

This is the sticking point for me. There is no way that I could sit next to a sibling that I thought was implicated. Or stay at their home.

when they were. all staying together in AG home it was earlier and less investigation on AG/TC. Now that has changed and they are no doubt not staying together. You might sit next to her if you thought you could. flush out the person(s) responsible for your mother's death.