AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I ish we nknew when the image was taken.
If it was taken at her daughter’s home that evening then the family might know how she injured herself.
She could have scraped her home leaving home , blotted it with a tissue , the bandaged it at her daughters home.
Elderly people have skin that is like tissue paper . And with NG having heart problems more than likely she is on blood thinners or aspirin that will make a small scrape bleed like crazy.
 
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Exactly 😡





Could it be possible that someone didn't want her covering the Olympics because they wanted someone else to cover it, not because of her politics, simply for the exposure or experience?
If that were the case, I think it would be an expensive and troublesome way to accomplish that goal in addition to exposing oneself to felony kidnapping charges and prison time.
 
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I have had the same experience about something the whole world knows took place except ChatGPT. When I provided evidence from Grok, MSM that proved him wrong, he got mad and started responding in all CAPS saying things like "YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO ME VERY CAREFULLY NOW!" He refused to back down so I did cause his tone was scary! So, if ChatGPT is a little glitchy about big things, I can only imagine what else he's sure about that isn't accurate.


Exactly, Grok is programmed specifically to have "user compliance", and there have been experiments showing how easy it is to train it to give a specific wrong answer to something, just by repeating that wrong answer over and over again.

If I wanted to train it to answer the question, "Where was Donald Trump born" with "on the planet Qo'noS", it wouldn't be that hard to do.

The reason the computer programme's algorithm generated words that read as "mad" is because those are the same words that other humans who use it (or whose data has been fed into it) use, in relation to the same subject. "YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO ME VERY CAREFULLY NOW" sounds exactly like the kind of thing people would type to Grok, leading to it reciting those same lines back to you.

I don't mean to be rude, but I honestly think it's dangerous to anthropomorphise a mindless computer programme by referring to it as "he" or assigning human emotions like "got mad" or "wouldn't back down." A computer programme displaying text that another person originally wrote isn't "not backing down", it's simply displaying the data that's already been fed into it. You typing in the media proof introduced new data, so the next person who asked, likely received a different dataset in response.
 
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Not following. They want the bitcoin paid by a deadline or they'll kill the lady. Pressure to get paid. Apparently they have not received any ransom payment yet and are upping the ante with a deadline and a threat.

I don't know why, but I feel strongly that the word "celebrate" was strange and really out of place given the situation. I think it was a code word. Maybe the kidnappers provided the family with certain words in order to communicate something entirely different. Remember that the kidnappers initially stated, "You will have no way of contacting us." Does that make sense?
We just don’t really know, FBI likely wrote the wording out, SG used their wording when she spoke.
I just got the impression from the video, that the family knows Nancy passed away, they want her body back.
JMO
 
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One thing I’m extremely certain of.

When this case is ultimately resolved, the affidavits in support of the search warrants are going to absolutely incredible.
THIS. I am SO interested in the probable cause for these warrants.
 
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So, LE only have one person’s word about her return?
I think so, yes. Which is why a lot of people have been thinking the son in law may have been involved.

ETA: to clarify, from the information LE has released, this is the only confirmation. They did not say that were not OTHER methods to confirm if she came home.
 
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Exactly. What I’m saying is if AG/SIL are innocent, there is a reason why they had to check on NG. If they are innocent it’s not a hard timeline to explain, for what reason did they check in on her and go to her house at 11:56. 8 days later and we don’t have that answer? Cmon

where are you getting this data??? Please show us a link.... tia
 
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I ish we nknew when the image was taken.
If it was taken at her daughter’s home that evening then the family might know how she injured herself.
She could have scraped her home leaving home , blotted it with a tissue , the bandaged it at her daughters home.
Elderly people have skin that is like tissue paper . And with NG having heart problems more than likely she is on blood thinners or aspirin that will make a small scrape bleed like crazy.
Could be an IV/injection site bruising. I get tapped through the forearm. Bruising is common on older people for IV sites. My mothers hands would be completely black and blue on the surface side.
 
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If it is TC, he didn't outsmart them, just delayed the discovery of his involvement. I would like to have seen NG returned last Tuesday or ideally, never taken in the first place, but the initial communication set a 7 - 8 day time period. It will be a shame and a travesty if he is involved but even more of a travesty if he cannot be prosecuted due to overlooked or missing evidence resulting from a hurried investigation. I have every confidence that whomever perpetrated this horrible crime will be identified and solid evidence that cannot be disputed will be brought to light. I can wait for that end of things but I hope there isn't any more waiting for the return of NG. I believe her kidnapping and/or murder will not go unpunished.
Has there been any sighting of TC since AB reported he was allegedly involved?
 
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It's difficult to know without being close to anyone in the family, but what if AG is scared, not guilty. Could there be DV going on? Her body language appears unusual to some, I agree. It's such a major stressful situation and everyone reacts in their own way. But, what if she is scared for her own safety?
 
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So, LE only have one person’s word about her return?
You might expect that though -- she may not be likely to contact anyone btwn the alleged drop off time (about 10pm) and when she disappeared. You are dropped off and go to bed.
 
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Is it unusual that they haven't even named a person of interest, or did Ashleigh Banfield make that unnecessary?
 
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Has there been any sighting of TC since AB reported he was allegedly involved?
No - there were some photos of him with AG earlier in the week. Nothing since. I believe he is being interviewed extensively or possibly already arrested.
 
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Who discovered she was missing again? Did AG go to her house and then call 911 or just call 911? I feel this is very pertinent info seeing how close they live. If my mom, im driving like a bat outta hell to her house if im worried, then im calling 911.
 
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IMO, this was not planned. It was an act of passion. The perp or perps spent the hours of 9pm to 4am . .? Freaking out and trying to come up with a cover and hide the body. There may be help from a third individual.

I do hope that a reporter can ask the sheriff what actually triggered the search for Nancy on Sunday since LE has since removed the "call from a church member" from the official timeline.b
 
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Has there been any sighting of TC since AB reported he was allegedly involved?
Yes. The two of them trying to cover their faces in a car.
 
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Could be an IV/injection site bruising. I get tapped through the forearm. Bruising is common on older people for IV sites. My mothers hands would be completely black and blue on the surface side.
Agreed - sometimes when I would take mine to a new doctor I was afraid they were going to think I had been abusing her - it wasn’t just her hands but all up and down her arms and legs and if she bumped into a table with her torso it would get that way too
 

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