Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[ttjo]

Hello! First time posting so please excuse any mistakes I make. I’m confused by the bloodstains on the porch. From what I saw it looked like the blood droplets were going toward the door and then spatter to the side of the door. If they were exiting through the front door it would seem difficult to open and close both doors while also taking a bloodied NG with you. Could she have been going toward the door instead and was stopped by someone? Admittedly I have no idea how blood spatter works I just think with my own doors how difficult it would be to exit through them and leave a mark like that. Although I guess the blood would be smeared had she been moving towards it. Again, sorry it’s just been bugging me all day and I’m overwhelmed with so much information and I’m just confused.

Ive listened to a few CSI people talk about that blood, they all-seem to think that there is no directionality to the drops, like as if the person was stopped there for a period of time and the drops just went straight down.
Ed Wallace ( from the duty ron channel) a former csi and Also trains CSI’s all over the world spoke on the spot that looks like aspirated blood, He said to test if it was aspirated , it would have amylase in it. Swab it and test for amylase.I dont know if they did that tho.
AI definition:
expirated blood (blood forced from the nose, mouth, or lungs) commonly contains salivary amylase. This is because the blood mixes with saliva while being coughed, sneezed, or forced out of the mouth.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

One pancake?

@WillenFan21: Sounds like cooking pancakes generates good questions! Need to cook pancakes more often! LOL

 

[TheDinks]

Apols if this has been raised (I’m sure it has). Surely other houses on that road have smart door bells. Have LE not yet released the car seen driving in the area at 2:30am ish, when I presume the roads would otherwise be very quiet?

No footage of any vehicles, asking for help, have been released.

A neighbour was interviewed who said the driveways are mostly long and doorbell cams wouldn't effectively be able to capture vehicles (enough for any chance of ID, ie anything would just be a passing blur imo)

Any vehicle footage taken will be from buildings close to road and highway/junction cams streets away from home.

Around that time the roads aren't busy so you can (almost lol) guarantee they have grabbed footage from as many cams as poss and tracked each vehicles route in an effort to pinpoint the exact vehicle used.

 

[submarine7]

We received your message and we understand. First words in Savanah's plea, especially , We understand.
Any idea what this could mean ? I've been wracking my brains on this !
What could anyone understand in all this ?
Anyone ?

Maybe their letter included an odd, seemingly out of place statement or question meant to serve as POL that Nancy provided? They understood the veiled comment? However, I don't believe she's alive.

 

[iluvmyelement]

SG did say in their 2nd video "We received your message and we understand". I surmised upthread that that meant she found out her mother didn't make it without her meds the "we understand" part. (JMO)

Then she went on to say "We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.”

https://people.com/savannah-guthrie-tells-mothers-kidnappers-we-received-your-message-we-will-pay-11901810

Mary Coleman said the 2nd letter was not a ransom and did not say anything to indicate that Nancy was deceased. So - what did it say? Not sure....could have been something that they wanted SG and family to know or something that NG said if she was still alive?

All that being said - the movements of the feds/cops indicates that they are looking for a body and it involves either AG or TC (or both).

 

[Cassie P]

no as with most insurance like that you pay and file a claim after. Of course she would do that but that takes time. They don't have time. In all honesty I think the $$ is the last thing on her mind.

The ransom demand is said to be $6 million, and for that kind of money the employer will want to be notified ahead of time I assume. Of course this case has national intense coverage.

But the amount demanded could be even higher than $6 million.

Perhaps the FBI checking out the kidnapper note is the cause of the delay in paying the ransom.

 

[whowy]

Interesting. Because I thought it was weird. I find that incredibly enmeshed, that a friend at church would call a daughter about her mother? I would absolutely think nothing about someone missing church.

Of course, the gal who checked on her friend, for not answering her phone, caught Chris Watts, completely off guard. He had no clue police would be at his house the day he killed his wife, Shannon Watts, and two daughters.

I'd expect that a concerned person from church would first try to contact NG before contacting NG's relatives. Maybe LE has the same expectation & failed to find evidence of such a contact on NG's phone.

 

[txsleuth70]

SG did say in their 2nd video "We received your message and we understand". I surmised upthread that that meant she found out her mother didn't make it without her meds the "we understand" part. (JMO)

Then she went on to say "We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.”

https://people.com/savannah-guthrie-tells-mothers-kidnappers-we-received-your-message-we-will-pay-11901810

:

The deadline and the threat were already made in the initial ransom message. The second message was said not to be another ransom note. It likely just stressed 'we mean business'.

If you read into the sibs last video, the second communication probably said something along the lines of "Do you understand we mean business? Do you want your mom back? Isn't she valuable to you enough to pay? What are you waiting on?"

MOO

 

[Wsimm]

This story says there was a call at approximately 11a.m.

ABC7 Los Angeles Nancy Guthrie abduction: Timeline of disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mom, possible ransom notes

Yes 11am, that was what I meant by morning. Without an 11am call what would be the reasoning why AG arrived at 11:56am to find her mom gone?

 

[pharmad]

The ransom demand is said to be $6 million, and for that kind of money the employer will want to be notified ahead of time I assume. Of course this case has national intense coverage.

But the amount demanded could be even higher than $6 million.

Perhaps the FBI checking out the kidnapper note is the cause of the delay in paying the ransom.

I was thinking.. $6 million is a oddly specific number. Why not $10 million? or more. Especially in bitcoin.

 

[stmichael]

We received your message and we understand. First words in Savanah's plea, especially , We understand.
Any idea what this could mean ? I've been wracking my brains on this !
What could anyone understand in all this ?
Anyone ?

The leak from the Tuscon ABC affiliate who also received the letter said that ransom was $6M by Monday 5pm and included a threat of harm/death to Nancy if that was not met. It was the first time the escalated conditions and threat and ransom amount were disclosed to the public. SG et al could be saying they understand the condition of the threat that was issued..

It's a long thread but we've posted articles about FBI agents giving opinions to this wording pages back, as well as the leak and articles about that.

 

[desert-blue]

At one time, LE said a church friend called NG at 11:00 because she missed church, so I took it the service ended around 11. Then the friend called AG ( Nancy’s daughter) to let her know Nancy missed church.

AG got to Nancy’s just before noon to check on Nancy, saw Nancy was gone, called sheriff just after noon.

At one time, the friend calling Nancy( 11:00), was in the timeline. Later removed…
AG going to check on Nancy and calling sheriff stayed in timeline.

Church Online | St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church

www.sapctucson.org

According to this website, the two services are at 9:00 and 10:45.

Plan Your Visit | St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church

www.sapctucson.org

"Worship lasts about 60-70 minutes"

 

[auburnmomof2]

I have been following and posting on this thread. And NG reminds me so much of my sweet mom who passed from natural causes 18 months ago. With all my being, I am hoping and praying that she is ok and we will see a joyful reunion with her family. I just won't allow myself to believe anything else at this point. I fully understand the situation, but I will be lifting up the Guthrie family in prayer as I have been for a week.
Just my opinion and genuinely hurting for her family

 

[Charlot123]

Hi there, I checked the NYT article you mentioned. It was last updated today at 3:52 pm ET. Here is a gift link so you can read the article yourself.

Here's the relevant part about the church member:

Thanks a lot!

I noticed some things.

In the first letter, the press said, the abductors mentioned what NG left at home. Some poster here asked, maybe it was the hairpiece? I said, more likely, it could be a hearing aid or Apple Watch.

After that, the press has mentioned the Apple Watch.

In the article you so generously gifted, they write “They found her phone, wallet, hearing aid, daily medication and car. But they did not find her. They called 911.”

I have no crystal ball! I guessed a hearing aid, that she likely took anticoagulants, asked whether meds were left at home, and Apple Watch.

But what is interesting: yesterday some curious poster here asked about the eyeglasses, if NG left them at home.

It is a great question. I bet she has them. (Even newer fancy cataract surgery seldom allows elderly not to use glasses.)

And, the articles that update their information never mentioned the eyeglasses.

Did Nancy Guthrie not wear them? Are they missing or not?

Did she wear far-sighted ones? If an alive person is kidnapped and kept somewhere, I bet people can live without their hearing aid. With medication, I suspect it was nothing fancy and the kidnappers could obtain them.

But a person needs at least a book to read. An older woman who is anxious? For sure. A Bible, perhaps. And maybe her favorite fiction one.

Did anyone buy glasses for presbyopia of Nancy’s diopter in a pharmacy in Tucson within a certain radius? Did anyone check out a book she liked from a local library?

Did Nancy leave her eyeglasses next to her bed as people do when they fall asleep? Assuming that she was grabbed from her bed, or such?

Or were they simply gone?

(If they are gone, I don’t think that the abductor fetched them, btw.)

I wonder if LE look for NG’s eyeglasses in her daughter’s house?

Did Nancy use glasses playing mahjong?

 

[TheDinks]

But then they just left with one little paper sack. If they found anything, I'd have thought we'd see more activity, the house torn apart, and more things removed.

BBM

...and a LOT of photos

 

[LAhiker]

Interesting. Because I thought it was weird. I find that incredibly enmeshed, that a friend at church would call a daughter about her mother? I would absolutely think nothing about someone missing church.

Of course, the gal who checked on her friend, for not answering her phone, caught Chris Watts, completely off guard. He had no clue police would be at his house the day he killed his wife, Shannon Watts, and two daughters.

I know there's some dispute about NG's actual recent practice with regard to churchgoing. But let's assume that she always goes to church, whether in person or online. Those who know her would also know that she's an older woman with mobility issues. Some may know others in her family, which may be more salient due to the famous daughter.

In that situation, I would think it would be reasonable for them to call a family member if she didn't show up.

I speak as someone originally from a small town, in which people kept track of and looked after each other. I wonder whether her church might function similar to my small town.

JMO

 

[mikeshanty]

But then they just left with one little paper sack. If they found anything, I'd have thought we'd see more activity, the house torn apart, and more things removed.

It's the part about them taking photographs in a darkened room with no lights on. As has been suggested elsewhere, it suggests they were doing luminol testing. They had what they needed on the camera footage.

see 7:01

 

[heli]

Mary Coleman said the 2nd letter was not a ransom and did not say anything to indicate that Nancy was deceased. So - what did it say? Not sure....could have been something that they wanted SG and family to know or something that NG said if she was still alive?

All that being said - the movements of the feds/cops indicates that they are looking for a body and it involves either AG or TC (or both).

Could the second letter let sg & family know they were not in control. The kidnappers are

 

[ivylambs]

Interesting. Because I thought it was weird. I find that incredibly enmeshed, that a friend at church would call a daughter about her mother? I would absolutely think nothing about someone missing church.

Of course, the gal who checked on her friend, for not answering her phone, caught Chris Watts, completely off guard. He had no clue police would be at his house the day he killed his wife, Shannon Watts, and two daughters.

Maybe NG and the friend spoke recently (or the previous Sunday) and acknowledged that they'd see each other at church? It's normal to miss church unannounced, not normal to miss a standing meeting with a friend without saying something. She might have tried to reach Nancy first before the daughter.

 

[Cassie P]

SG did say in their 2nd video "We received your message and we understand". I surmised upthread that that meant she found out her mother didn't make it without her meds the "we understand" part. (JMO)

Then she went on to say "We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.”

https://people.com/savannah-guthrie-tells-mothers-kidnappers-we-received-your-message-we-will-pay-11901810

So perhaps the message from the kidnappers or extortionists stated that NG did not make it.
There would be no POL.

This means that they never had NG to begin with. These are a secondary set of criminals hoping for a pay day off of the tragedy. Or they are kidnappers and don't intend to return the body or reveal where it is to prevent providing more evidence.

But SG negotiates and says we want the body for proper burial and will send you the money.