AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[stmichael]

In the context of this story, did you see the weird AI generated Super Bowl commercial with all the big stars in their primes, followed by the brightly colored text screens? It was advertising the generic concept of crypto. It's scary times we are living in.

SG even alluded to this in her first video response:

“As a family, we are doing everything that we can,” Savannah said in a video posted on Instagram Feb. 4. “We are ready to talk. However, we live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated. We need to know without a doubt that she is alive and that you have her.”


The FBI has a PSA on AI generated ransom scams.

Criminals Using Altered Proof-of-Life Media to Extort Victims in Virtual Kidnapping for Ransom Scams​

Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Criminals Using Altered Proof-of-Life Media to Extort Victims in Virtual Kidnapping for Ransom Scams

 

[pharmad]

Apols if this has been raised (I’m sure it has). Surely other houses on that road have smart door bells. Have LE not yet released the car seen driving in the area at 2:30am ish, when I presume the roads would otherwise be very quiet?

I imagine with the thick brush and hilly region, if a home in prox. to NG did have a camera facing the road, getting a well detailed view will be challenging.. I spent waaaay to much time this monring scouring a 2-4 mile radius around NG's home, and only a few could've "possibly" seen something. Otherwise the brush or a hill was blocking the view.

I'm still curious if LE reached out to the delivery driver, and secured the picture taken.

 

[MommaV]

When is it??? Pls RSVP! Didn’t know they were doing one

I wonder if the church would let anyone who isn’t a member attend, especially based on this past weeks events. I would think many of the parishioners could have issues with the publicity and privacy. MOO

 

[SaraSmile]

Here's something id like to know one day: Did AG try to call or text mom about some random topic, gets no answer, then calls a good friend of the mom to say, I can't reach my mom was she in church online this am?
Or does friend notice NG not in church, call AG to mention? Also, I noticed they were over there promptly at 12noon. I have never been to a service that gets out at 12 on the dot. Just an observation. I realize there are early services. Do we know what time the church service starts and ends??

At one time, LE said a church friend called NG at 11:00 because she missed church, so I took it the service ended around 11. Then the friend called AG ( Nancy’s daughter) to let her know Nancy missed church.

AG got to Nancy’s just before noon to check on Nancy, saw Nancy was gone, called sheriff just after noon.

At one time, the friend calling Nancy( 11:00), was in the timeline. Later removed…
AG going to check on Nancy and calling sheriff stayed in timeline.

 

[simlyme]

Yeah she is being porofessional I guess , but does she have to come on at all?
Be safe say nothing, When you have so many people hanging on to every word you say to get info, its a tease to say “ i know a lot but i cant tell you” just dont say anything at all.

yes, like I said the news outlet is the one getting the emails,I can bet that LE,FBI has the steering wheel on this one . In fact I wouldn't be surprised id LE wasn't sitting very close to her.
If we just heard , another email was sent, and nothing follows , we would all go insane.
She did differentiate the difference between this email and the other.
Her job as a reporter in this situation has to be really hard and she can't do it without help from LE.

 

[academyrd]

This makes me think AG and SIL are in the clear possibly. If they were involved, would they go and check so quickly? And the short time period before calling 911 seems pretty precise in terms of checking the house, noticing something is up, and quickly calling 911. I wonder what the 911 call documents.

Edit: If they were called at 11AM, and we assume they have maybe a 5-10 minute conversation on the phone, how long would it take for them to drive to NG's home? This might be academic anyway as we don't know where AG and SIL were beforehand, we can't necessarily assume they were at their home 4 miles away.

We have no idea what alerted them to go check on NG, nor at what time. That part of the timeline vanished since Monday. I think that’s the problem here and why SIL seems like the most likely perp.

 

[Van Helsing]

That’s my interpretation too. Particularly because she said ‘that is the only way WE will have PEACE’. If you are hoping your loved one is coming home (alive) then peace isn’t quite the word you’d use. It is also prioritising the siblings feelings and needs not the moms.

JMO.

Excellent points, but I hope otherwise.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I've just watch Brian Entin's latest video. Seriously, that footage of the flashes taking place inside AG's darkened house are the most chilling clips I have seen in this whole case. Extremely eerie and ominous.

But then they just left with one little paper sack. If they found anything, I'd have thought we'd see more activity, the house torn apart, and more things removed.

 

[ttjo]

Hello! First time posting so please excuse any mistakes I make. I’m confused by the bloodstains on the porch. From what I saw it looked like the blood droplets were going toward the door and then spatter to the side of the door. If they were exiting through the front door it would seem difficult to open and close both doors while also taking a bloodied NG with you. Could she have been going toward the door instead and was stopped by someone? Admittedly I have no idea how blood spatter works I just think with my own doors how difficult it would be to exit through them and leave a mark like that. Although I guess the blood would be smeared had she been moving towards it. Again, sorry it’s just been bugging me all day and I’m overwhelmed with so much information and I’m just confused.

Ive listened to a few CSI people talk about that blood, they all-seem to think that there is no directionality to the drops, like as if the person was stopped there for a period of time and the drops just went straight down.
Ed Wallace ( from the duty ron channel) a former csi and Also trains CSI’s all over the world spoke on the spot that looks like aspirated blood, He said to test if it was aspirated , it would have amylase in it. Swab it and test for amylase.I dont know if they did that tho.
AI definition:
expirated blood (blood forced from the nose, mouth, or lungs) commonly contains salivary amylase. This is because the blood mixes with saliva while being coughed, sneezed, or forced out of the mouth.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

One pancake?

@WillenFan21: Sounds like cooking pancakes generates good questions! Need to cook pancakes more often! LOL

 

[TheDinks]

Apols if this has been raised (I’m sure it has). Surely other houses on that road have smart door bells. Have LE not yet released the car seen driving in the area at 2:30am ish, when I presume the roads would otherwise be very quiet?

No footage of any vehicles, asking for help, have been released.

A neighbour was interviewed who said the driveways are mostly long and doorbell cams wouldn't effectively be able to capture vehicles (enough for any chance of ID, ie anything would just be a passing blur imo)

Any vehicle footage taken will be from buildings close to road and highway/junction cams streets away from home.

Around that time the roads aren't busy so you can (almost lol) guarantee they have grabbed footage from as many cams as poss and tracked each vehicles route in an effort to pinpoint the exact vehicle used.

 

[submarine7]

We received your message and we understand. First words in Savanah's plea, especially , We understand.
Any idea what this could mean ? I've been wracking my brains on this !
What could anyone understand in all this ?
Anyone ?

Maybe their letter included an odd, seemingly out of place statement or question meant to serve as POL that Nancy provided? They understood the veiled comment? However, I don't believe she's alive.

 

[iluvmyelement]

SG did say in their 2nd video "We received your message and we understand". I surmised upthread that that meant she found out her mother didn't make it without her meds the "we understand" part. (JMO)

Then she went on to say "We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.”

https://people.com/savannah-guthrie-tells-mothers-kidnappers-we-received-your-message-we-will-pay-11901810

Mary Coleman said the 2nd letter was not a ransom and did not say anything to indicate that Nancy was deceased. So - what did it say? Not sure....could have been something that they wanted SG and family to know or something that NG said if she was still alive?

All that being said - the movements of the feds/cops indicates that they are looking for a body and it involves either AG or TC (or both).

 

[Cassie P]

no as with most insurance like that you pay and file a claim after. Of course she would do that but that takes time. They don't have time. In all honesty I think the $$ is the last thing on her mind.

The ransom demand is said to be $6 million, and for that kind of money the employer will want to be notified ahead of time I assume. Of course this case has national intense coverage.

But the amount demanded could be even higher than $6 million.

Perhaps the FBI checking out the kidnapper note is the cause of the delay in paying the ransom.

 

[whowy]

Interesting. Because I thought it was weird. I find that incredibly enmeshed, that a friend at church would call a daughter about her mother? I would absolutely think nothing about someone missing church.

Of course, the gal who checked on her friend, for not answering her phone, caught Chris Watts, completely off guard. He had no clue police would be at his house the day he killed his wife, Shannon Watts, and two daughters.

I'd expect that a concerned person from church would first try to contact NG before contacting NG's relatives. Maybe LE has the same expectation & failed to find evidence of such a contact on NG's phone.

 

[txsleuth70]

SG did say in their 2nd video "We received your message and we understand". I surmised upthread that that meant she found out her mother didn't make it without her meds the "we understand" part. (JMO)

Then she went on to say "We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.”

https://people.com/savannah-guthrie-tells-mothers-kidnappers-we-received-your-message-we-will-pay-11901810

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The deadline and the threat were already made in the initial ransom message. The second message was said not to be another ransom note. It likely just stressed 'we mean business'.

If you read into the sibs last video, the second communication probably said something along the lines of "Do you understand we mean business? Do you want your mom back? Isn't she valuable to you enough to pay? What are you waiting on?"

MOO

 

[Wsimm]

This story says there was a call at approximately 11a.m.

ABC7 Los Angeles Nancy Guthrie abduction: Timeline of disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mom, possible ransom notes

Yes 11am, that was what I meant by morning. Without an 11am call what would be the reasoning why AG arrived at 11:56am to find her mom gone?

 

[pharmad]

The ransom demand is said to be $6 million, and for that kind of money the employer will want to be notified ahead of time I assume. Of course this case has national intense coverage.

But the amount demanded could be even higher than $6 million.

Perhaps the FBI checking out the kidnapper note is the cause of the delay in paying the ransom.

I was thinking.. $6 million is a oddly specific number. Why not $10 million? or more. Especially in bitcoin.

 

[stmichael]

We received your message and we understand. First words in Savanah's plea, especially , We understand.
Any idea what this could mean ? I've been wracking my brains on this !
What could anyone understand in all this ?
Anyone ?

The leak from the Tuscon ABC affiliate who also received the letter said that ransom was $6M by Monday 5pm and included a threat of harm/death to Nancy if that was not met. It was the first time the escalated conditions and threat and ransom amount were disclosed to the public. SG et al could be saying they understand the condition of the threat that was issued..

It's a long thread but we've posted articles about FBI agents giving opinions to this wording pages back, as well as the leak and articles about that.

 

[desert-blue]

At one time, LE said a church friend called NG at 11:00 because she missed church, so I took it the service ended around 11. Then the friend called AG ( Nancy’s daughter) to let her know Nancy missed church.

AG got to Nancy’s just before noon to check on Nancy, saw Nancy was gone, called sheriff just after noon.

At one time, the friend calling Nancy( 11:00), was in the timeline. Later removed…
AG going to check on Nancy and calling sheriff stayed in timeline.

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