AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[emigrate]

No no that clears it up! Thank you! So potentially multiple individuals involved. But was the "hoaxer" charged with anything beyond malicious communications?

That has not been talked about. Mostly it was made to seem like he was just some random person who was trolling but I felt like there was more to it. I hope this week finally brings answers, this is so confusing for the public. They must have it under control because they don't care if we are confused. If they needed the publics help they would be more forthcoming with truth and real info.

 

[mikeshanty]

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Daily Mail said in one article early on that Nancy didn't physically attend church since the COVID area.

The New York Times stated in an article today that a church member from Nancy's church notified family members when she wasn't sitting in her pew.

This is why I made the point in an earlier post (removed) about the credibility of The Daily Mail. It is not in the same league as the NYT. Apologies if this post has to be removed (mods please feel free to remove it), but I think credibility of sources is now very relevant here because of this gaping inconsistency in the timeline.

 

[mikeshanty]

That has not been talked about. Mostly it was made to seem like he was just some random person who was trolling but I felt like there was more to it. I hope this week finally brings answers, this is so confusing for the public. They must have it under control because they don't care if we are confused. If they needed the publics help they would be more forthcoming with truth and real info.

Thanks. I just read the following though: "[Hoaxer] is not linked to the Bitcoin ransom demand, according to the complaint."

 

[TheDinks]

Same reason a homicide team showed up to a “missing person” call. IMO

IIRC they called off the search. Were there K-9 units tracking Nancy’s scent? An organized volunteer search? Did officers fan out from the last place she was seen and perform a grid search?

I think there was undeniable evidence of violence in that house and LE knew it was very unlikely that NG was going to be alive for long, if at all.MOO

I thought that too... reading between the lines of what Sheriff Nanos said they found at the house... he projected in a way that appeared to signal why homicide team was called in.

Which then, of course, contradicts his assertions a few days later when he stated she was still with us etc... although that could have been for the benefit of keeping the family's hopes alive.

 

[SRWCF]

Wouldn’t the insurance just be on Savannah herself though, like if she were kidnapped? I doubt it would cover anyone besides their key employees but I don’t know.

Yes, kidnapping and extortion insurance only covers employees and only while they are working. Like a reporter going to a warzone and subsequently getting kidnapped.

 

[Charlot123]

Someone said you cannot see the names in the livestream and there is not chat area to say hello or fellowship

Are you sure?
Not in church, but on conferences the system is used all the time. You just have to download it once. I assume it is cheap. Again, you see who signs in and comments, and if I typed, happy b-day and the person didn’t answer, I’d think, darn, we have flu going on! Is she OK? Just call her to check and maybe text her family.
Heck, if I heard in the church that she just had a b-day, I’d call and my first thought would be about the flu. So I’d call the family just because. It may not be a red flag yet.

 

[mikeshanty]

Link pls!

Man arrested for demanding Bitcoin ransom from Guthrie family

The man allegedly used an app to create a fake phone number to text the family, according to a federal complaint.

abc7news.com

 

[maskedwoman]

I can't imagine going thru this kind of week without my husband at my side. Haven't heard whether Camron is married (?) but I'm surprised SG's husband isnt there. Kids, school, work, I know, but come on - this is a traumatic life event for SG.

I don't think we can make assumptions about what's going on behind the scenes. The kids may be traumatized too and need one of their parents there. Without knowing whether it's a real kidnapping or not, would you leave your kids behind with anyone BUT your husband to supervise their care and safety? I sure wouldn't.

 

[HoveringWombats]

I find it hard to reconcile the ham-fistedness of the hoaxer and the apparent sophistication (at least in terms of obscuring their identity) party who sent the ransom notes. I'd be very surprised if these two were working together. But anything is possible in this case, up to and including the identity of the ransom note sender being known by LE and they just haven't told us yet.

 

[emigrate]

ebm thanks

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Wow, so the church report might be nonsense too?

I definitely believe that the church report is nonsense.

And actually significant since LE initially reported that a family member told LE that they went to check on NG at her house because a person called them from NG's church to let them know she wasn't there. But, LE interviewed the pastor who reported that NG hasn't been to the church services in-person since before COVID.

This was initially on the LE Timeline and it's been since dropped from the timeline. Likely LE hasn't discussed this since the first presser since there are some concerning problems in this story if the family actually told them that somebody from the church called them to report Nancy wasn't in church.

My thought is LE isn't discussing this because it's important in the investigation and they want to further investigate the involved parties without stating that they are persons of interest.

MOO

 

[txsleuth70]

I find it hard to reconcile the ham-fistedness of the hoaxer and the apparent sophistication (at least in terms of obscuring their identity) party who sent the ransom notes. I'd be very surprised if these two were working together. But anything is possible in this case, up to and including the identity of the ransom note sender being known by LE and they just haven't told us yet.

Hard to reconcile? There's usually always a Brain and the Brawn. This guy is definitely not the Brain.

 

[SRWCF]

I don't think we can make assumptions about what's going on behind the scenes. The kids may be traumatized too and need one of their parents there. Without knowing whether it's a real kidnapping or not, would you leave your kids behind with anyone BUT your husband to supervise their care and safety? I sure wouldn't.

Exactly. And the husband travelling to be with SG with their kids in tow would be a horrible idea. Too traumatic!

 

[Elle*Bee]

Churches keep track of attendance (both in-person and virtual) so NG's attendance habits could be verified by LE via the church, if they desire that information.

Track attendance how? I'm not aware that any of the churches I've attended was tracking my attendance. Perhaps if a service is live streamed, one might be able to watch the comings and goings of its participants.

 

[emigrate]

ebm thanks

 

[mikeshanty]

I definitely believe that the church report is nonsense.

And actually significant since LE initially reported that a family member told LE that they went to check on NG at her house because a person called them from NG's church to let them know she wasn't there. But, LE interviewed the pastor who reported that NG hasn't been to the church services in-person since before COVID.

This was initially on the LE Timeline and it's been since dropped from the timeline. Likely LE hasn't discussed this since the first presser since there are some concerning problems in this story if the family actually told them that somebody from the church called them to report Nancy wasn't in church.

My thought is LE isn't discussing this because it's important in the investigation and they want to further investigate the involved parties without stating that they are persons of interest.

MOO

How interesting. But could they not quickly rule AG and SIL in by this simple detail? By asking them who exactly notified them, can you provide their number, what did they tell you, what time did they call you, how long did you speak? We know LE have their devices too. Perhaps it is just one aspect of stories not adding up that is leading LE to circle in on AG and SIL.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Daily Mail said in one article early on that Nancy didn't physically attend church since the COVID era.

The New York Times stated in an article today that a church member from Nancy's church notified family members when she wasn't sitting in her pew.

While NG's pastor has clearly said that she hasn't attended church since COVID, it's curious, though, since NYT researches carefully and I would think they would be very careful about checking their facts.

Still, since LE has taken this church phone call off of their time-line, for whatever reason, it has been resolved or LE wants to investigate things further without drawing attention to the parties involved. MO

 

[HoveringWombats]

Hard to reconcile? There's usually always a Brain and the Brawn. This guy is definitely not the Brain.

Do you think he was the brawn? I think if he was physically present in AZ and involved in this, we'd have seen more evidence of it, even if LE didn't want to release that information yet. And I'm not sure what role "remote brawn" would play, but of course anything is possible. MOO....

 

[mikeshanty]

Do we actually know the current status of the investigation i.e. whether it is currently a (i) missing person / kidnap or (ii) homicide investigation? It sounded like it was (i) very briefly on Sunday, then became (ii), then unclear on Monday, then maybe back to (i) later in the week?

 

[keek]

100 PER CENT they are. We will most likely get nothing more until an actual arrest/s from LE. IMO