Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[JaimeInLA]

The church, the family. All distractions. They reached 100 miles into the US and sent a message.

What was the message?

 

[Gr3yW0lf78]

There are two parties here. One close on the ground and another is the brains behind this. I think the hoax guy in California is somewhere in the orbit and got greedy. I’d grill that dude. He knows something.

 

[jeff2034]

I was half expecting to hear today that the body of NG was found somewhere after the message from the family yesterday that seemed to acknowledge what happened and that they will pay for information regarding the location of the body (at least that was my interpretation of their statement). I hope and pray that they did not pay a ransom for information about where the body is located only to get no information. How could someone do that to a family that has been through so much already? I don't know much about Bitcoin, but once you transfer funds to a Bitcoin account, can you get it back if you did not get what you paid for? I suspect not.

 

[gitana1]

If you could have met my mom. 90 years old (5 months shy of 91) when she died a year and a half ago. Lived on her own (second floor) apartment, still drove, and pretty much to the end would go out to late dinners with us or even friends her age. Saturday nights were for the local pub and dinner, drinks and dancing.
NG had her Saturday night out with her family, and stayed overlong presumptively because after dinner involved game playing. And, since they lived close by, this could have been a regular thing. I see no reason for a bedtime stamp on older individuals. They all vary and manage what they’re able. Again, my mom normally stayed up later than I do most nights.

My mom is 89. Drives. She’s gorgeous. Has an incredible social life. Super healthy and crazy energy. She has more energy than I do and can stay up late socializing.

 

[Gr3yW0lf78]

What was the message?

We can reach you anywhere and hurt you in the worst way.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

dbm

 

[truecrimel]

Long post, sorry, but I had to get my theory out.

I have suspected all along there were at least two suspects involved - one to restrain NG and the other one to grab the vehicle. The blood splatter IMO suggests NG stood on the porch for a minute before being loaded into a vehicle, and certainly an abductor wouldn’t leave her there alone for that time while they retrieved their car. One suspect stands there with NG, restraining her, while the other drives there to pick them up.

Now here’s where my theory gets wild but hear me out. If we are to assume the SIL is one of these individuals, he cannot be sending the ransom notes since the FBI is literally breathing down his neck. However, the way things are panning out (evidence collection at his home, towed vehicle) it seems he has some part to play. At the same time, the ransom notes seem to provide proof that whoever is sending them also had a part in the crime.

What if the SIL planned this all with someone else? The goal was to collect as much money as possible from the Guthrie family, more than what just inheritance would’ve provided. SIL drove NG home and then returned back to his home. The second suspect went to NG’s property and carried out the abduction. SIL came and picked suspect # 2 and NG up (so no SIL DNA at the scene). They returned to SIL’s house where they harmed NG (so blood evidence at SIL house). Then, when the news all broke, the plan was for the second guy to send the notes with information about the crime scene and extort SG for money (providing a further alibi for SIL because there’s no way he could’ve sent them, and whoever sent them obviously did it). Then, SIL makes off with part of the inheritance and his cut of the eventual ransom and
he’s provided the perfect defense of “look this kidnapper did it for ransom!”

This is all JMO, please don’t come for me.

 

[emigrate]

My mom is 89. Drives. She’s gorgeous. Has an incredible social life. Super healthy and crazy energy. She has more energy than I do and can stay up late socializing.

Amazing!

 

[ssarahbg]

Perhaps it has something to do with the exchange rate of bitcoin? Or rules and regulations about bitcoin? IDK, someone with knowledge about that end of things would have to chime it.

Someone else here suggested SG's employer might have death/kidnap insurance on their TV celebrities. Maybe the extortionists did their homework and it is tied into that somehow.

Or they know SG's cash liquidity.

IDK just guessing.

SG is wealthy for sure, but not super rich. If she is worth $40 million, $10 million is a big chunk of her wealth. Maybe they thought $6 million was more apt to be paid.

At the time of the last note, the exchange rate of $6mil was exactly 86 bitcoin. Those of us working or who have worked in the restaurant industry in know what 86’d means . Is it a coincidence or a message?

 

[Gr3yW0lf78]

Don’t mess with Texas is already taken as a slogan so the cartel might need something more original.

Until we recognize them as an enemy force on our border, and treat them accordingly, expect more of this psychological terrorism.

 

[Maat99]

For the free advertising: guaranteed 24/7 media coverage.

Wouldn’t they be actually advertising something though?

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread is closed for about 10 minutes.

 

[tricia]

Hey Everyone.
Tonight at 10:30 PM Eastern, I'll be going live on our Websleuths YouTube Live channel to discuss the case.
We would love to have you join us. Click HERE or click on the video below.
Thanks,
Tricia

MY APOLOGIES. My Thumbnail was incorrect. It said "Septic Tank Removed," and that IS NOT TRUE. I have changed it.

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread is open again folks.

Don't do that again !! (and don't dare ask what "that" is )

 

[nightowl2728]

To those who keep posting about how their 90 year old relatives are "totally fine and like a 25 year old!", we are all truly happy for you and wish them many more years of health and no sudden changes unfortunately typical for most elderly people (and which should and can be prevented with realistic lifestyles and safety measures).

That said, legally and logically, the question isn’t ‘can a 90-year-old be out late?’ It’s ‘what’s typical or expected for a person of this age with documented mobility issues, a pacemaker, and reliance on daily medications.’ Anecdotes about healthier individuals aren’t comparable. Courts look at whether something would stand out to a reasonable person given the same facts, not whether exceptions exist.

Source: I'm a lawyer

 

[Sillybilly]

Posting this again in case anyone missed it ... and make sure to click on the below so that Tricia's entire message is visible:

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Dec 14, 2022

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Chris has personally lied to me. He accused an innocent man of being Brian Laundry. He lied about being removed from the Crow lawsuit. He was removed but then put back in the lawsuit and lost. Chris told me he was removed from the lawsuit and was not sued. He never told me he was added back into the lawsuit and lost. Chris was sued for getting a false confession in the murder of Stephanie...

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[Gr3yW0lf78]

Send a soldier 80 miles north with $500 worth of equipment and potentially extract $6 million in untraceable funds? Why not?

 

[simlyme]

Well, I'm just more or less just reading here , because I can't post my theory.
<modsnip>
I'm not sleuthing , don't need to now.
We more or less know what we're going to know, until...
When all is said and done , it will be huge and I'm positive I'm not the only one with my thoughts.
In the mean time I hope and pray Nancy can be found .

 

[Monepone]

"I’m not talking about a search. I’m talking about a solution. We have some things, I think, that will maybe come out reasonably soon from DOJ or FBI, or whoever that could be. A lot has taken place in the last couple of hours. A lot of things have happened with regard to that horrible situation in the last couple of hours."

This is an exact quote. Any theories on what this person thinks a "Solution" would be?

 

[emigrate]

To those who keep posting about how their 90 year old relatives are "totally fine and like a 25 year old!", we are all truly happy for you and wish them many more years of health and no sudden changes unfortunately typical for most elderly people (and which should and can be prevented with realistic lifestyles and safety measures).

That said, legally and logically, the question isn’t ‘can a 90-year-old be out late?’ It’s ‘what’s typical or expected for a person of this age with documented mobility issues, a pacemaker, and reliance on daily medications.’ Anecdotes about healthier individuals aren’t comparable. Courts look at whether something would stand out to a reasonable person given the same facts, not whether exceptions exist.

Source: I'm a lawyer

Not to mention there are people out late looking for "opportunities" if it wasn't for those horrible people you wouldn't mind it as much if the person is extra sharp and extra fit for their age. This is why I would like my parents when they age to be in a retirement community that way they can socialize, they do all kind of activities. They don't have anyone cleaning or in their apartment or condos it is just a safer community where nefarious types don't usually have access.