AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[wibbleflea]

it may have been a unique location, but if your goal is to get paid you are going to release solid proof. you just want money and you want to get rid of the victim who is just a liability. my bet is the ransom writers are opportunists and will eventually be proven to be some youngish hacker types in this country or overseas. I actually think the mechanism to fill out an online form anonymously is probably not that difficult, and the anonymous bitcoin wallet is of course not difficult at all..

Agreed about the absence of solid proof. But after this much time and no sign of NG, I think the writer of the notes is more likely to be the person responsible for NG’s disappearance. And that all the media attention, and the distress it’s causing SG could be the goals.

 

[cady]

So then I wonder was someone supposed to pick Nancy up and take her to the friend’s house? Or was she planning on taking an Uber?

Daytime. She was probably planning to drive. jmo

 

[KonaHonu]

So I looked at the route SIL would have taken from his house to NG's. Most of it is along Orange Grove which, in that area is very residential with walls and the backs of houses facing Orange Grove. I highly doubt there is any camera footage from there. There are no businesses. The route along Oracle from Las Lomitas to Orange Grove would have several businesses that may have had cameras.

 

[SUNchips]

I believe its this one Google Maps

Based on local news reporters being on scene and appearing to report from the Grant Rd side by the dumpsters

Do you have a link to this? Where have you seen the reporters near Grant? That would be pretty far from both Guthries’ houses.

I always thought we were only talking about the Circle K on Oracle and Orange Grove, shown in this video

 

[snoopy100]

it may have been a unique location, but if your goal is to get paid you are going to release solid proof. you just want money and you want to get rid of the victim who is just a liability. my bet is the ransom writers are opportunists and will eventually be proven to be some youngish hacker types in this country or overseas. I actually think the mechanism to fill out an online form anonymously is probably not that difficult, and the anonymous bitcoin wallet is of course not difficult at all..

someone else made a point earlier today that it could be for attention from SG. if she had a stalker or someone obsessed with her, maybe they planned this elaborate kidnapping scheme just to ingratiate themselves with SG, get attention from her, and feel like they have control over her. i don't think that's necessarily likely, but it's another motive beyond money.

 

[Monepone]

Harvey Levin was clear that the location of the watch wasn’t standard or routine. It wasn’t guessable and it was the location of the watch that piqued the FBI’s interest. (These details can leak, of course.) Things aren’t adding up – this isn’t a regular kidnapping.

Levin has mentioned this in a few interviews in varying detail but here’s one I posted a day or two ago.

It's utterly ridiculous that LE has clearly passed on privileged information to Harvey Levin. I don't care if the kidnapper shoved the ransom note up his rear end, it's beyond corrupt for LE to confirm the accuracy of any of that note with him.

 

[ab01]

That may have angered the FBI, who then didn't inform the sheriff that the Guthrie family had recorded a video (he found out from his wife).

I think that’s likely what happened when you break it down. There were subtle clues. Man this really bothers me

 

[wibbleflea]

It's utterly ridiculous that LE has clearly passed on privileged information to Harvey Levin. I don't care if the kidnapper shoved the ransom note up his rear end, it's beyond corrupt for LE to confirm the accuracy of any of that note with him.

He read the note. He has it. It was sent to TMZ.

 

[birdbox]

Doesn't make sense to me.

You can be a suspect and LE still ask for consent to search. You can be a suspect in an armed robbery and LE knock on your door and ask for consent. You say no and they detain you until the warrant is signed. That's pretty common practice.

I can't think of any reason LE would be searching a house, taking pics, and removing items if no one in that house was a suspect. That would be an unreasonable search and its frankly ludicrous a retired FBI agent would say someone isnt a suspect just because a warrant wasnt signed.

I remember LE searching Laci Peterson's home long before Scott was declared a suspect. As a matter of fact, he wasn't declared until they found her body. They took samples from their pool, his steering wheel house, everywhere prior to her being found and he let them i guess.

 

[tbgo]

Brian Entin said that the first deadline last Thursday demanded $4 million (not $1 million) and Monday, today’s deadline, asked for $6 million, I guess if the $4 million wasn’t paid.

 

[HoveringWombats]

So I looked at the route SIL would have taken from his house to NG's. Most of it is along Orange Grove which, in that area is very residential with walls and the backs of houses facing Orange Grove. I highly doubt there is any camera footage from there. There are no businesses. The route along Oracle from Las Lomitas to Orange Grove would have several businesses that may have had cameras.

Via Streetview, I also see what may be a traffic or public safety camera at the corner of Oracle and Orange Grove. Unconfirmed, MOO.

 

[missy1974]

I assume they meant that they have been seen by various networks, interviews etc.

but we don't "KNOW" this, right?

I do not know if SG/AG/TC have been seen at all. I don't even know if SG's husband is there, and if all the children are there. We don't know because we don't know. And just because no on says they have seen TC, is that really that unbelievable under the circumstances? No one has seen the other family members either.

I do believe it is only because of who SG is ... any other family in the same situation, the media would be all over it. JMO

 

[tbgo]

she could drive.

She didn’t want to drive to her daughter’s house and took Uber instead?

 

[watson1]

Yep, deception during interrogation - not public statements, right?

If the public statements are being used to further the investigation, and find the truth, they can be deceptive. In short, broadly speaking, LE can not lie under Oath, including in Court or when submitting an Affidavit (such as for a warrant). Speaking broadly, generally, if LE is not under Oath, they can use tactics meant to further the investigation. Just my opinion.

 

[Cipher Vale]

If the warrants are sealed, there will be no evidence that they exist until they are unsealed. Their existence only becomes known to those outside of LE and the judge when the suspect(s) is in custody or the case is unsealed. It is even possible that LE got "consent" from AG and TC while also getting a warrant that is sealed. It would be a huge blunder if they only went in with "consent" and then, for example, found blood evidence... then AG and TC could argue in court that they never gave consent. Etc etc.

Great summary. I would argue that during the consent search, evidence such as blood would immediately call for the house to be declared a crime scene, secured, and warrants signed then.

I do have a feeling you are correct that there are sealed warrants. I bet if they refused consent, the house would have been secured and warrants would have been produced.

 

[birdbox]

I can't think of a reason either, and I've taken in a lot of true crime.

If they declare them suspects before a body, they can mess it up. Its a process and you want a conviction in the end.

 

[snoopy100]

She didn’t want to drive to her daughter’s house and took Uber instead?

the dinner at AG's was at night time, or at least, it would be when nancy left. and she knew she'd be able to get a ride home from family when it got dark. not weird.

 

[mainemom376]

If they declare them suspects before a body, they can mess it up. Its a process and you want a conviction in the end.

Some clarity!! Thank you!!!!

 

[Monepone]

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[Vegasgrl]

That doesn't make sense because they are in other parts of the country.

Not sure I understand. Who are in different parts of the country? SG and POTUS? They were likely acquainted in NYC. Here's the link again where he states that it's an unusual case and he's always liked her https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...-missing-mother-calls-it-terrible/ar-AA1VBjKL