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This person can be used as a source until further notice. I reserve the right to remove their approved status.
Wow! I just watched his video, honestly he should probably be a comedian. Shocking though he called the SIL "creepy looking dude" at the 6:16 mark and at the 7:07 mark said "she's certainly not going to be sex trafficked, Who the hell would want that?" His semi truck mouth ( I could do better) makes me think he should be a comedian. IMO
Edit to add: For those who didn't watch this video I want to make clear that the quotes I brought up of statements by this attorney were NOT funny, however the other things he said in the video made him seem more like a comic VS. an attorney. Sorry for any confusion.
 
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If they didn't have a search warrant than anything they found would likely be barred from evidence at trial.
Maybe that is why they said they are going back there to both houses again? (tonight? based on 'new leads'?-- IF they have now obtained an official warrant)
 
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I would be INCANDESCENT with rage if I found out local authorities hadn't welcomed the Feds with open arms and coffee to assist in finding my apparently kidnapped mother.
 
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Are we allowed to discuss something that was just said on Vinnie Politan Investigates on Court TV?
 
  • #15,966
This seems odd. Why put up billboards in Texas? Unless they think she is alive and being m
Wonder if all the billboards are east of Tucson? Do we know if any are up going north or west? The ones in TX seem so deliberate.
In one of the articles it mentioned San Diego and I feel like also near LA (but I am less certain on that).
 
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YALL...she might've taken an Uber because she wanted to have a drink at dinner...maybe she just didn't want to drive...maybe sil and ag were fixing dinner and it was easier for her to Uber there...
This is said in my perimenopause alabama accent...and just my opinion. But my eye is twitching again with the Uber speculating....😵‍💫
 
  • #15,968
Sounds like that Sheriffs Dept is a mess.

And THAT is why they have to keep going back to the houses. IMO

Also sounds like that's why it seems like two independent investigations, one suspecting kidnap/ransom and assisting the Guthries to facilitate that investigation, and the other focused more on, ahem, "local" suspects.

We haven't really seen FBI and Sheriff's investigators cohabitating outside of the press conferences from what I can tell.

It also explains why WE THE PUBLIC have been wrestling with both sides of those scenarios.

A shame.

JMO.
 
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Not good if true:

Federal agents arrived in Tucson last week to an icy welcome amid a harrowing search for Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of “TODAY” co-host Savannah Guthrie.

She was abducted by force from her home in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood in northern Tucson around 2:30 a.m. on Feb. 1, according to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos.

Law enforcement sources described a delay in local cooperation with federal investigators — with days going by before they let them into the fold.

I know this wasn’t the point of your post, but I clicked the link and it clarified the circumstances to someone alerting her family she was missing. I know a lot of people had been confused about that so it’s nice to see some clarification.
 
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Are we allowed to discuss something that was just said on Vinnie Politan Investigates on Court TV?

AFAIK CourtTV is an approved source.
 
  • #15,971
It's utterly ridiculous that LE has clearly passed on privileged information to Harvey Levin. I don't care if the kidnapper shoved the ransom note up his rear end, it's beyond corrupt for LE to confirm the accuracy of any of that note with him.
The ransom note was sent directly to media outlets not the Guthrie's or FBI (which was one of many atypical characteristics of this "kidnapping')

TMZ, along with local Tuscon TV stations were the recipients and forwarded it to the FBI, so Levin/TMZ know all the details.

The note, which was sent to us Tuesday morning, demands a specific substantial amount of Bitcoin
 
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Question. How long would a bike ride take from AG house to NG house at say 1:30am with no traffic and back roads?
20 min bike ride
 
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The ransom note was sent directly to media outlets not the Guthrie's or FBI (which was one of many atypical characteristics of this "kidnapping')

TMZ, along with local Tuscon TV stations were the recipients and forwarded it to the FBI, so Levin/TMZ know all the details.



do we know for sure that it wasn't sent to the guthries or LE?
 
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I'm with you about the ransom appearing days later. I don't think we know if an initial ransom was sent immediately to the family, or not. DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: Maybe the kidnappers didn't like the fact that LE hadn't announced an original ransom, so they figured they'd go through TMZ, knowing they'd probably release it to the public.

I'm still entirely baffled why people believe it could all be a hoax. NG was obviously taken from her home - call it what you want, a kidnapping or abduction. If LE thought they were dealing with a homicide, they definitely wouldn't have NG's kids pleading for her return on national television all these days later. Regardless whether NG is alive or not (I hope the latter isn't the case), it would be difficult for kidnappers to care for an immobile, 84-year old woman with a pacemaker, in need of daily medication. You know what else would be difficult? Removing a body from her home, then trying to find a place to hide it.

FWIW, I am totally stumped.
So so true! I agree with every word you said!
 
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Sorry I don't have the OP, but is it the case that LE can get a sealed warrant and NOT tell the subjects of the warrant (in this case, AG and TC) of its existence? How would they search the home otherwise (assuming LE didn't get consent, which I understand they did here).

I also sort of agree with those who said the searches of the homes again tonight could be a distraction to real work underway elsewhere.. and not clearing the family (TC specifically) could also be intentional, if they're trying to make someone else comfortable. At the same time, I see a reason to clear family quickly to avoid escalating rumors. Not sure.

With regard to the night searches of the homes again, if legitimate, I could see why searching with similar lighting conditions as the the night NG disappeared to be helpful - where are shadows cast or not, where is there lighting, what is visible (or not)? What are the noises like from the road, etc.
Yes, the sealing of the warrant keeps it hidden from public and the person(s) listed in the warrant.
If consent refused, LE would inform they have a warrant. The difference is an unsealed warrant will show you the details. The sealed warrant just says they can search.

Usually consent is best way to go in sealed warrant situations as they are sealed for a reason.
 
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do we know for sure that it wasn't sent to the guthries or LE?
It was reported multiple places that the ransom notes were sent to 3 news stations. No mention of being sent to the family or LE
 
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Has the Uber driver been cleared?
 
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Question. How long would a bike ride take from AG house to NG house at say 1:30am with no traffic and back roads?
I am an old time cyclist who has bike halfway across the US. Answer: it depends on age, ability, distance, type of bike (ebike today vs regular models). I would say a male would probably bike 15 mph on a regular bike with little problems over a shorter distance. I had wondered if a bike was involved. Obviously, not with NG.
 
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