AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Rumination1]

He could have slipped out in the middle of night to remove the cameras and clean up or whatever.

Crazy thought but what if Nancy died of natural causes - say choking at dinner - and someone staged this to gain $
Still a moral and criminal act but not actually homicide

 

[Friday Fan]

I'm sure this has been brought up already, but any neighbour disputes going on in the past or current?

I can't count how many acts of violence I've read about over tensions/grudges building up between neighbours.

*ETA: when I say neighbours, I don't mean just the ones right next door but in a close vicinity.

Sadly when this happens, they often don't tell anyone. They will "think it's nothing". It's like the neigbhor kid who's nice at first and then gradually, he isn't and the elderly person feels like maybe they did something wrong themselves or they don't want to worry their families etc.

My mind comes to this at times

 

[Navillus923]

Does anyone wonder if NG never truly left the house of AG and that what happened was someone who knew the codes drove back to the house and dropped off the Apple Watch and that is how the people that wrote the ransom note had details about its location and why it disconnected in the early morning as listed on the timeline? I really wonder why Uber was used to deliver NG to the house and was this a typical process for the family when the two houses were so close together? This Uber ride would also mean that whoever orchestrated this event would not have to deal with NG car as it would remain in her garage.

I just keep thinking also about the odd blood placement on the front steps and its concentrated location precisely on the stoop and not going down the front walkway. Was what was on the front stoop really blood or something else? What was the scene inside the house? Could whoever went inside the house have been searching for something and that is what took the 40 min or so that was in the timeline?

From the Sunday am meeting with friends to view the church service as a group (vs watching local church service online) to when NG was 'discovered' to be missing, frankly not much is making sense imo.

Great points.

Does anyone wonder if NG never truly left the house of AG and that what happened was someone who knew the codes drove back to the house and dropped off the Apple Watch and that is how the people that wrote the ransom note had details about its location and why it disconnected in the early morning as listed on the timeline? I really wonder why Uber was used to deliver NG to the house and was this a typical process for the family when the two houses were so close together? This Uber ride would also mean that whoever orchestrated this event would not have to deal with NG car as it would remain in her garage.

I just keep thinking also about the odd blood placement on the front steps and its concentrated location precisely on the stoop and not going down the front walkway. Was what was on the front stoop really blood or something else? What was the scene inside the house? Could whoever went inside the house have been searching for something and that is what took the 40 min or so that was in the timeline?

From the Sunday am meeting with friends to view the church service as a group (vs watching local church service online) to when NG was 'discovered' to be missing, frankly not much is making sense imo.

Ah, And the garage opening for a measly 2 minutes. Maybe they were putting the Apple watch in her vehicle. Then went in another door .
Now I'm just reaching. For some reason the sheriff didn't want to tell us if there was forced entry, I've heard there was, then he stated "I never said there was forced entry or there wasn't. I can see why they would keep that from the public, rightfully so.

 

[spicyenigma]

I don’t know why but I feel like this might be a mix of different crimes. Like maybe she did hit her head or became disoriented and then met with foul play later or something like that. The scene does seem staged and poorly thought out. Man this is weird.

 

[tricia]

I'm reposting to clarify. ​

There is nothing normal about this case. The son-in-law may have been the last person to see Nancy alive. The sheriff has not cleared anyone, and he has also stated there are no “prime suspects” at this time.

Because no one has been cleared, discussion is allowed. However, it must be done using initials only.

SHERIFF REFUSES TO RULE OUT SG'S BROTHER, ACCORDING TO NYP.

The reason is simple. If someone is discussed as a possible suspect and their full name is repeated over and over, it follows them forever. Google does not forget. Using initials helps protect innocent people from long-term harm if they are ultimately not involved.

This situation is unprecedented for Websleuths. We are dealing with a kidnapping in which a family member was reportedly the last person to see Nancy. Shutting down the discussion of the people closest to Nancy and those who last saw her would effectively end the thread.

We are doing the best we can to balance open discussion with protecting innocent people. It is not a perfect system, but ultimately, we are a true-crime discussion forum, and when law enforcement has not cleared anyone and has not named a prime suspect, discussion must be allowed—carefully and responsibly.

Tricia

 

[LRinCA]

The location of the watch has me a bit flummoxed so I just did a search.

This article is dated February 9, 2026 (BBM)

Authorities say Guthrie’s watch and phone were found left behind inside her Tucson home. Retired FBI agent John McVeigh said that matters because the watch can capture health and activity signals even when someone is not actively using it and transmit them directly to the iPhone Health app.

Former FBI agent says Nancy Guthrie's Apple Watch holds clues to what happened leading up to her abduction

A former FBI agent says Nancy Guthrie’s Apple Watch data could show possible distress, movement, or a struggle before investigators say her pacemaker app disconnected overnight.

www.wpbf.com

 

[TheDinks]

I would think so too, but that request and reason for denial hasn't been reported on that I've seen. Pretty crucial to report on it, because a denial says something in and of itself.

I wonder if LE released that dispatch call under the guise of a 911 call just to keep reporters at bay.

JMO.

I don't know but I do listen to Brian every day and have heard him talk about other information people have tried to get so, as I said, am 100 confident 911 call has been requested. I do think the fact that Sheriff Nanos talked VERY uncomfortably about the crime scene (something in that house) that as is normal, the person who notified 911 would be top of list, so... I can just guess they'll be going with "investigation" reasons

 

[shonyakay]

How many press conferences have there been so far?

Does anyone have a list of all of the press conferences in chronological order?

I think that would be most helpful.

 

[BJarv]

Great points.

Ah, And the garage opening for a measly 2 minutes. Maybe they were putting the Apple watch in her vehicle. Then went in another door .
Now I'm just reaching. For some reason the sheriff didn't want to tell us if there was forced entry, I've heard there was, then he stated "I never said there was forced entry or there wasn't. I can see why they would keep that from the public, rightfully so.

Yes, the garage door opening for 2 min is also a question mark as you point out. The other thing is that NG had been out for awhile, had dinner with family, allegedly played game/s and I bet she was tired and ready to go to sleep as she was 84 years old.

Given the mobility issues of NG, I'm not sure she could make it from a car parked in the driveway and in through then garage entrance in 2 min.? It seems like it would be an able bodied person that would enter/exit the house via the garage and so I wonder if the 2 min garage door open/close was someone exiting the house to the driveway and not NG entering the house and returning from AG house.

Somehow I just cannot shake the idea that NG might have never returned home. The Uber ride from her house to AG house when the live so close to each other also seems odd and frankly unexplained by LE too. So many questions.

 

[Bodhi]

Starting this with stating this is my opinion

I surely hope this doesn't turn out to be a crazy person just trying to torture this family. Somebody jealous or feels was slighted in some way. I think NG was killed the first night and this ransom was just a way to torture this poor family more. Whether it be a family member or not I feel it is somebody the family will know. Sending the ransom note to media outlets just seems so unusual. Has that ever been done before? Not that I can remember but maybe

IMO ONLY

I can think of a few kidnappers who communicated through the media.

The documentary American Nightmare is about the kidnapping of Denise Huskins. Her kidnapper Matthew Muller contacted the San Francisco Chronicle during that kidnapping. When he released the victim and she reported the kidnapping to police, they called it a hoax. Muller was irate. He demanded a retraction and apology to the victim or he'd strike again. But they didn't. 2 weeks later he kidnapped another woman for ransom. She did not report it for 9 years. His 3rd kidnapping attempt a few months later was foiled and evidence left behind lead to his arrest.

The Symbionese Liberation Army sent taped demands for the release of Patty Hearst to radio stations. The tapes were broadcast.

John Paul Getty III was kidnapped in Rome. His grandfather refused to negotiate. The kidnappers cut off the teenager's ear and mailed the ear, some hair, and a message to an Italian newspaper.

Reg Murphy's kidnappers called in ransom demands to the Atlanta Constitution, his employer.

 

[InVinoVeritas]

Does anyone wonder if NG never truly left the house of AG and that what happened was someone who knew the codes drove back to the house and dropped off the Apple Watch and that is how the people that wrote the ransom note had details about its location and why it disconnected in the early morning as listed on the timeline? I really wonder why Uber was used to deliver NG to the house and was this a typical process for the family when the two houses were so close together? This Uber ride would also mean that whoever orchestrated this event would not have to deal with NG car as it would remain in her garage.

I just keep thinking also about the odd blood placement on the front steps and its concentrated location precisely on the stoop and not going down the front walkway. Was what was on the front stoop really blood or something else? What was the scene inside the house? Could whoever went inside the house have been searching for something and that is what took the 40 min or so that was in the timeline?

From the Sunday am meeting with friends to view the church service as a group (vs watching local church service online) to when NG was 'discovered' to be missing, frankly not much is making sense imo.

JMO but if this was the scenario they could've easily bought time by messaging the friends and saying she wasn't going to be able to make church as had stayed over at AGs or something.

 

[BJarv]

I don't know but I do listen to Brian every day and have heard him talk about other information people have tried to get so, as I said, am 100 confident 911 call has been requested. I do think the fact that Sheriff Nanos talked VERY uncomfortably about the crime scene (something in that house) that as is normal, the person who notified 911 would be top of list, so... I can just guess they'll be going with "investigation" reasons

Fox had posted a partial audio of the 911 call operator with the description of NG today.

 

[tricia]

BIG APOLOGY PLEASE READ ​

I want to apologize for how I handled things yesterday.

There is a great deal that goes on behind the scenes that most of you never see. It can be incredibly frustrating to repeatedly post instructions, only to have them ignored, and then have to remove hundreds of posts because the rules were not followed. Many of you may not even see those posts due to how quickly the thread moves.

Yesterday, when I posted the same message multiple times in a row, it came from a place of real frustration over the continued rule violations. That frustration got the better of me.

However, none of that is an excuse. I should have handled it differently, and I take responsibility for that.

I am working on finding a better way to make important moderator posts more visible and easier to follow so we can avoid this situation in the future.

And yes — I have been informed (by certain unnamed moderators who may or may not answer to “SillyBilly”) that if I throw another public hissy fit, I will be timed out. Fair is fair.

Thank you for your patience.
Tricia

 

[shonyakay]

I think the Sheriff may have thought initially it was a family member abduction and did not take the kidnapping seriously. He failed to keep the home secured, made numerous trips back to research. Moo

I lean toward the opposite i.e. The Sheriff initially believing the kidnap theory. The crime scene was released too soon IMO.

 

[Cardgame]

Why did Chris Watts take his wife and childrens' bodies out of the house? Why did Scott Peterson take his wife's body out of the house? And so on, a hundred times.

My opinion only.

I know this post is ages ago but...

Arguably they all did that because there was a possibility that those individuals could have run away of their own accord.

Nancy couldn't move more than 50 yards and it was her family who told LE she was "sharp as a tack".

They had the perfect opportunity to make it seem like she had wandered off into the desert or even to stage the house that way. But they called LE immediately and reported that there's no way she could have vanished of her own accord.

JMO. And btw I don't totally disagree with you but I still think it's worth considering the above in the interests of an open mind.

 

[nightowl2728]

From the beginning I've thought the blood on the front porch was staged - like it is NG's blood but purposely splattered there. I'm still leaning toward her not ever going back to her house. Totally my speculation. I also find it curious as blood within the house has never been mentioned. It could be the case of course, I just find it odd that it's on the front porch but not then down the rest of the walkway/onto the driveway or yard. Unless she was picked up or covered where she was bleeding while ON the front porch. But I just find it odd

EDIT: And now that I think about it more, even weirder that NG's house wasn't secured. Anyone could go up to the steps, I presume, and either take some of the blood (which could be a problem with a fake ransomer having her DNA) or comingle with others'

 

[BJarv]

JMO but if this was the scenario they could've easily bought time by messaging the friends and saying she wasn't going to be able to make church as had stayed over at AGs or something.

Yes, I agree with you. The church narrative has changed with DM now reporting that NG got together with friends on Sunday mornings to watch service online at the church in NYC where SG attends. Not sure which version to believe or really how to understand how this entire apparent crime was discovered and reported by the family.

 

[avalonisland]

With ransom time passing, imo, something tragic happened to NG and this was not a kidnapping, but a coverup to conceal the tragic event. I believe NG would need more than 2 minutes to be properly dropped off at around 9:47, and I see the 9:47 or so garage time as a quick in and out to leave NG purse and phone. I think NG may have come home a different time, but not the garage open and close time. I still see this as an intimate, someone NG knew and trusted encounter. Like at 84 years of age, one would assume she did not live alone at night, especially being in constant pain, having heart condition, and requiring walker or other assistance for mobility. Someone who did this to NG was close to her imo and knew her routine, habits, and care team. I think the ransom letters were all fake and not related to the crime. 40 mins of activity starting around 1:30am also seems staged. I also think NG could have had like a nosebleed at exterior front entryway a different time than say 9:30pm to 2:30am. Like maybe she bled even on a different day and just did not clean it up. I hope she is found alive and safe but to me it's unlikely.

 

[Moonstrawbs]

It may just be me, but I see what happened to NG and the kidnapping/ransom notes as separate things. If someone close is responsible, they’d have to keep up the kidnapping charade, otherwise it would reveal what really happened. JMO.

 

[Turkeytrot]

It may just be me, but I see what happened to NG and the kidnapping/ransom notes as separate things. If someone close is responsible, they’d have to keep up the kidnapping charade, otherwise it would reveal what really happened. JMO.

This is what I'm thinking, too.