normally by now in a story like this you would be seeing people talking that knew NG and the family relationships. People come out of the woodwork. Relatives. This is a. very small family....no extended family left in Tucson? No one speaking up saying NG and her SIL had a great relationship? I assume interviews are happening but this is the quietest investigation I have seen. How about friends or teaching colleagues of TC...anyone heard anything? After a week this is odd.
What is the point of attending the same service without communication? Wouldn't you Facetime beforehand a, "Good morning! It's so nice to see you! I'm happy you're joining me for service!" Or a quick check-in afterwards?How would she know if her mother was watching the services on live stream?
i see no relationship between SG and her coverage of Olympics and what happened in Tucson. In fact if someone were trying to make a statement it would have been much more headline worthy if SG were in Italy and had to fly back leaving NBC to scramble.She was due to fly on the Monday; she was called on the Sunday and flew to Tucson later that day.
This is not intended to be a political statement, but jmo.
I feel the relative restraint of DJT could be a clue that this is known to be someone close to NG.
If we look at DJT's pattern of interventions and social media posts, we might have expected more unfiltered commentary and speculation (e.g. could it be cartels, border risks, justifying ICE). We haven't seen any of that whatsoever; just a slightly overly optimistic comment about resolving the case. He has been if anything, pretty restrained, which I view as atypical and unusual for him.
Again, absolutely not a political statement criticizing or endorsing a particular party (I am not US based), but I feel it is a clue.
NG Uber ride may have been from a different location, not her home. She’s a member of a book club per her FB page and more than likely other groups.Yes, the garage door opening for 2 min is also a question mark as you point out. The other thing is that NG had been out for awhile, had dinner with family, allegedly played game/s and I bet she was tired and ready to go to sleep as she was 84 years old.
Given the mobility issues of NG, I'm not sure she could make it from a car parked in the driveway and in through then garage entrance in 2 min.? It seems like it would be an able bodied person that would enter/exit the house via the garage and so I wonder if the 2 min garage door open/close was someone exiting the house to the driveway and not NG entering the house and returning from AG house.
Somehow I just cannot shake the idea that NG might have never returned home. The Uber ride from her house to AG house when the live so close to each other also seems odd and frankly unexplained by LE too. So many questions.
the story is now NG and friends meet to watch a NY based service. They meet at friend's home. So this is evolving. Not sure what the truth is.What is the point of attending the same service without communication? Wouldn't you Facetime beforehand a, "Good morning! It's so nice to see you! I'm happy you're joining me for service!" Or a quick check-in afterwards?
I agree. I have never made a link between the two myself. If someone wanted to sabotage her chance of covering a story, there would be a multitude of other ways to do this than kidnap her mother. SG has also covered way higher profile events and stories than the Winter Olympics!i see no relationship between SG and her coverage of Olympics and what happened in Tucson. In fact if someone were trying to make a statement it would have been much more headline worthy if SG were in Italy and had to fly back leaving NBC to scramble.
Not to sound cliché but would people outside of the family know the relationship between members of the family? I keep thinking about the usual "they kept to themselves. We've been their neighbors for 30 years and never talked to them other than a wave."normally by now in a story like this you would be seeing people talking that knew NG and the family relationships. People come out of the woodwork. Relatives. This is a. very small family....no extended family left in Tucson? No one speaking up saying NG and her SIL had a great relationship? I assume interviews are happening but this is the quietest investigation I have seen. How about friends or teaching colleagues of TC...anyone heard anything? After a week this is odd.
This is not intended to be a political statement, but jmo.
I feel the relative restraint of DJT could be a clue that this is known to be someone close to NG.
If we look at DJT's pattern of interventions and social media posts, we might have expected more unfiltered commentary and speculation (e.g. could it be cartels, border risks, justifying ICE). We haven't seen any of that whatsoever; just a slightly overly optimistic comment about resolving the case. He has been if anything, pretty restrained, which I view as atypical and unusual for him.
Again, absolutely not a political statement criticising or endorsing a particular party (I am not US based), but I feel it is a clue.
Always good to hear from Jonny Grusing….he’s the best imo
Zach Lind, drummer of Jimmy Eat World, and nephew in-law of Nancy (NG is his wife’s aunt), has been defending AG and TC on X.normally by now in a story like this you would be seeing people talking that knew NG and the family relationships. People come out of the woodwork. Relatives. This is a. very small family....no extended family left in Tucson? No one speaking up saying NG and her SIL had a great relationship? I assume interviews are happening but this is the quietest investigation I have seen. How about friends or teaching colleagues of TC...anyone heard anything? After a week this is odd.
this church story is getting out of control with speculation.That's a little odd. If it's the same church service SG attended why would SG herself have not noticed her mother wasn't there?
This too is another reason why I haven’t changed my mind on the SIL being involved. To those who posted details about what is needed to obtain the search warrants, etc., Thank you! This has helped me to understand what LE must detail they’re looking for and where.That's sort of where I am on this.
Multiple searches at AG's house with photos and samples taken probably means they have some evidence of a crime at the house. I am guessing luminol. The puzzling part would be why would you turn off the light in order to use a flash camera? Or was the flash in a totally different room that was lit up?
The ransom notes are either a cover up attempt or from someone totally unrelated to the abduction trying to extort money.
The post I was responding to mentioned how nice it was for NG and SG to attend the same NYC church service.the story is now NG and friends meet to watch a NY based service. They meet at friend's home. So this is evolving. Not sure what the truth is.
lmo, TMZ WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH SOMEONE WHO IS an attention seeker and wants to be aligned with and noticed by, the glitterati in general and SG in particular. A celebrity stalker. MOOI can follow your logic but there could be other reasons for choosing TMZ in addition to the local stations. TMZ suggested that they were chosen because the sender wanted to know it had been received and the local stations who received it before they did weren’t disclosing it. See the link to the news nation article below.
But also I am not sure that the 2 local stations and TMZ were the only places that it was sent just because they are the only ones that acknowledged they received it. My first thought when it came out was why not send it to NBC or a local NBC affiliate? But maybe they did and maybe NBC chose not to disclose that. How would we know?
And regarding whether sending it to TMZ was from someone under 30…. Well I am considerably over 30 (more than twice that) and well aware that TMZ often talks about things sooner and/or discloses info that news agencies might not.
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What we know about the ransom notes in the Nancy Guthrie case
Both TMZ and KOLD representatives said wording in the messages suggests the sender has familiarity with the Tucson area.www.newsnationnow.com
That's a little odd. If it's the same church service SG attended why would SG herself have not noticed her mother wasn't there?
The fact is that we don’t know if the correspondence received on Monday was in fact the exact same email TMZ received on Wednesday. The bitcoin account could be a completely different account than the one mentioned to TMZ and it could have been a ruse. The Wednesday email could have been a “hey take my first correspondence seriously”. To me it is obvious that they wanted the supposed kidnapping to be made public. Why would they double down with Wednesday email?
Many of us live in dark communities here as there are observatories around. Also, the area NG lived in is not known for crime.Looking at this case from a public-safety angle instead of a stargazing one, I keep coming back to how dark the neighborhood is at night and whether that mattered. It’s hard to come up with eyewitnesses when people can’t really see anything to begin with.
It looks like a beautiful place to live, but properly lit neighborhoods offer more protection, especially for elderly people living alone, those with limited mobility, and homes that are spread out. In places with more lighting, unusual activity has a better chance of being noticed. Lighting doesn’t prevent crime, but it does make it harder for things to happen unseen.
At the same time, it’s fair to say that lighting isn’t a cure-all. Some events happen fast, involve someone the person knows, or leave no obvious sign that anything was wrong at the time.