AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SMK777]

Well, it has been discussed since the beginning of this thread. Nancy likely had a lot of people working on her house, yard, coming to help her etc.

It doesn’t have to directly be one of her employees, all it takes is one of them off-handedly mentioning to an ill-intentioned family member or friend that they work for Savannah Guthrie’s mom. And that person figuring out that Nancy is vulnerable and lives alone. Someone random like that is much harder for LE to determine.

May not even be targeting her for money, this wouldn’t be the first time predators targeted random older women hoping they’ll be vulnerable and easier targets.

Yes, that's a very good point.

Some years ago a case was known to me personally because it involved extended family, where an older widow in an affluent neighborhood was robbed and raped (but not killed, thankfully) after having some work done on her kitchen.

Turned out it was not the 2 workers, but actually a cousin of one of them who'd been informed about the job.

 

[Warwick1991]

I'm interested in the drips running down the door frame.

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Major developments in search for Nancy Guthrie as cops raid her home

Forensic teams were seen scouring the roof of Nancy's home in Tucson, Arizona, reportedly finding a camera mounted to the property that had been missed in previous searches.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It looks to me a like scrape instead of a drip. It appears to be a depression, not a paint run. I think it was painted over, also. To be sure, one would have to see the area from more than one angle

 

[turaj]

Being sound of

Because NG was sound of mind, AG and TC might not have been involved at all, though of course it's also possible that they helped out extensively. I don't think we know.

JMO

"of sound mind" is only relevant for drawing up legal documents. I am sure she had a full estate plan in place with POA etc. That said I am "of sound mind" and my daughter and sil help me all the time with things around the house.

 

[whitelilac]

This may have already been posted, cannot catch up to 30 new pages since last night. I'm also assuming the FOX news is still allowed for this case only after Tricia's announcement last night.

" Former FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino outlined three stark possibilities in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance, saying the lack of leads has left investigators confronting unsettling questions.

"The first [possibility] would be, obviously, it's a kidnapping. That was an intended kidnapping for a ransom payment…" he said on "Hannity" on Monday.

"The second possibility would be this was just a crime that went awry. Someone was at the house, maybe it was a burglary, maybe something went bad, and you've got some bad actors committing another crime unrelated — in other words, requesting a ransom for something you didn't do just to take advantage of a situation like this."

The third possibility, he said, is that Guthrie’s disappearance may not have been a kidnapping at all, but instead the result of a medical emergency or another non-criminal event that was later misunderstood or misrepresented. "

Personally I am leaning to the second, which was my original feeling at the beginning.

Bongino reveals 'three possibilities' in Nancy Guthrie case as FBI probes disappearance

Former FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino outlined three theories about Nancy Guthrie's disappearance, from kidnapping to medical emergency possibilities.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Curiousobserver]

I think the Woodrum case is the most applicable.

In that one, police did a geofence, which isolated two cell phones during the time in question. One of those phones was the victim's, but the other was unknown.

They eventually figured out the identity of the person using the unidentified phone, and DNA nailed him. He eventually led them to the body after being interrogated.

I served on a jury where the perp was clever enough to leave their phone powered off during the crime, but then some 5 miles away powered it back on. Police found out this person resided 1800 miles away, and upon digging further linked them to the crime. Phones dropping off in the network 12-1 in the vicinity or powering on between 2am and 4 am might be useful and there may not be much data to sift through at that time of night.

 

[Ellis' Mom]

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I seen this last week . Has anyone read or heard anything about the business card seen here at NG’s door?

I hadn't seen this before! You can bet "Debra M" of whatever company has been contacted by LE! I can't identify anything other than her name.

 

[desert-blue]

Well now that makes sense. Now I understand how she could be livestreaming a service, and people would notice her missing. Why did it take so long for this to come out?

Why is there still no timestamp for when the friend contacted/notified AG?

 

[arielilane]

LATEST PLEA: Former FBI special agent Jonny Grusing breaks down Savannah Guthrie’s latest video, directed to the public.

“The numbers don't look good at this point for [Nancy] doing okay, so I think that's another plea to the public, where we have an individual who might still be around with us, and just not in a good state right now, and we need your information right away,” he said.

WATCH:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021221246239899883

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021267147150807046

 

[stmichael]

Money was not an issue for NG. It is logical to think that for many jobs she had regular staff that did those jobs..pool being one that is often best handled by a professional company. Did TC organize some of this for sure. Did he or AG come over and deal with the small issues..yes for sure. I think there was a lot of back and forth from the two homes and they helped NG. SIL is a full time teacher, parent and apparently member of a band.

And yet she had a cheap poorly configured security cams and did not even have an active cloud subscription which is quite inexpensive.

Some of the richest people I've known are cheap or stubborn or both.

What's this obsession with him being a "full time" teacher (so summers and many holidays off) and in a band that precludes him from helping out his elderly MIL that lives 10 minutes away? Most people have full time jobs, more kids than him, and work weekends and help out their parents nearby.

 

[Tortoise]

It looks to me a like scrape instead of a drip. It appears to be a depression, not a paint run. I think it was painted over, also. To be sure, one would have to see the area from more than one angle

Are you looking above the locks or beside them?

 

[SlimPickens]

I still feel like the actual, unredacted 911 call (not the dispatch that they released), would tell us if there was a ransom note on site. I imagine that the 911 caller would've included that info in the call. To my knowledge LE hasn't indicated one way or the other if a ransom note was there, but they did state that it was clearly a crime scene.

JMO.

QMOP.

Building on this, if there was a ransom note on site, would it sway anyone's opinion one way or the other? Would it make the case for kidnapping stronger? Was the sheriff's assertion that she "was taken from her bed" an unfortunate metaphor or a Freudian slip?

JMO.

 

[SMK777]

CNN confirming Fox reporting in regard to the church service at a friend’s house.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021254155482923054

Thanks for posting this, @MassGuy.

I must admit this information kind of makes me less confident about possible involvement of SIL.
What is your own opinion?

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[LRinCA]

I think there was a ransom/live outcome in Patty Hurst’s kidnapping too…

I was talking to a woman at the gym yesterday who used to live in Washington state. She brought up this kidnapping, which I had never heard of:

The kidnapping of nine-year-old George Weyerhaeuser occurred in 1935 in Tacoma, Washington, United States. The son of prominent lumberman J. P. Weyerhaeuser, George was successfully released for ransom and eventually succeeded his father as the chairman of the Weyerhaeuser company. The four participants in the kidnapping were apprehended and sentenced to prison terms totaling 135 years.

George Weyerhaeuser kidnapping - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[desert-blue]

If it was a neighbor, worker, or associate, what would be the motive? Just wanted her dead? Robbery doesn't appear to be the case, and the ransom is secondary and not the original perp(s) imo. If they wanted money, robbery would make a lot more sense than this weird ransom scenario.

Edit: in response to ideas that someone that knew her killed her. Obviously hoping that isn't the case.

 

[Megnut]

It's possible LE recovered male DNA from a doorknob. May or may not be from a perpetrator. IMO they'd need to match it because, if nothing else, it leaves a question mark for BARD.

Depending on where DNA was recovered from, it may be more or less likely that it was left in the commission of the crime. Plenty of less nefarious reasons for DNA to be found in her home, even a contractor or service provider on his way out the door.

If it's a lead or a loose end, I hope it indicates movement toward prosecution.

JMO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

It’s always important to keep an open mind when you’re following a criminal investigation, especially when details are scarce, and facts are disputed.

The longer this investigation goes on, the greater the possibility that initial suspicions and theories may be off base.

I’m still leaning a particular way, but it remains entirely possible that other options are in play. Namely, someone on the periphery of Nancy’s circle being involved.

Cases like that aren’t unprecedented. Here are two examples where someone outside the immediate family circle was ultimately responsible:

-Vermont (2024): 82-yr-old Roberta Martin was murdered by her 23-yr-old neighbor. He moved her body into nearby woods and burned/concealed her remains to destroy evidence and buy time before she was found.

-California (Paso Robles, 2018): 62-yr-old Nancy Woodrum was killed by a painter/worker who had access to her property. He transported her body to a remote area and dumped it. She was initially treated as a missing person until he led police to her remains.

Very helpful comments. I'm still leaning the same way but, at this point, there is so much that LE has chosen not to reveal that it's hard to know what might have happened here. Good reminder to keep an open mind and just follow the clues as we hear of them.

 

[BrittMontero]

Yes this makes sense. I was looking at this from public statement point of view. No one is posting on social media that they know AG would never hurt anyone. No media outlet has had some neighbor on saying they always saw NG, AG, and SIL having a great time together.

This is one of the most media covered cases I've seen in a while and yet zero interviews by the media. Nancy Grace would have had half the world on by now making character statements. I haven't even seen a viral Facebook screenshot yet of anyone giving their opinion who knows them or even lives near them.

Members of the media including her NBC colleagues and people like her close friend Jake Tapper at CNN have admitted that it’s disconcerting and unusual to cover a colleague’s personal tragedy. No doubt they are treading more carefully.

I am a former journalist and trust me, colleagues definitely are treated differently if they or their family members experience troubles.

 

[Cipher Vale]

I hadn't seen this before! You can bet "Debra M" of whatever company has been contacted by LE! I can't identify anything other than her name.

Looks like a private investigator. I think I can read "xxxxx Investigator" as well as "Adult Protective..."

The email at bottom right appears to end in .gov

I assume this was left by one of the detectives?

 

[dotr]

Is it a sure thing that the perp is male not female?