Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[touchlove]

Yes we discussed this card very early on in this thread. At the time it was my belief that this card appeared *after* the crime, because JMO MOO i don't think it was there in the earliest photos of Nancy's house in the very early days of the investigation. But perhaps I was wrong, I am going to see if there is a way to find out by going back in time over the images. Either way, the leaving of the card was very strange, but if it was indeed before then that is baffling.

Sorry, I didn’t know that it was posted about before.Today’s the first day, that I came back to WS after 11 years. I came because of Nancy’s case. And I started reading from page 1041. So I have no idea what was written before that page. I didn’t mean to post something you all have already discussed. Thanks for understanding.

 

[Der Detektiv]

That appears to be an old article. Ten hours ago is a long time in this case.

Sorry, as I am in Europe I was asleep when the article was first published, so I must have missed it.

 

[gammagirl]

Does the following image represent a second person caught by the front door camera at NGs? I saw this image amongst the images releases and the shoes appeared different to me. Perhaps shoe covering taken off.. pt does not have backpack on... wondered if it was a different second person? Any thoughts?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021359559546486894

 

[CrimeReporter]

Person who was detained has been released. It's a good reminder that detaining someone is different from arresting and charging.

 

[Cardgame]

Yes we discussed this card very early on in this thread. At the time it was my belief that this card appeared *after* the crime, because JMO MOO i don't think it was there in the earliest photos of Nancy's house in the very early days of the investigation. But perhaps I was wrong, I am going to see if there is a way to find out by going back in time over the images. Either way, the leaving of the card was very strange, but if it was indeed before then that is baffling.

Ok so I asked chatgpt to link me to the early news articles and it found me a reuters article from Feb 2nd in which there is a close up shot of the front door (jpeg attached) taken from that site:

Arizona sheriff says missing mother of US TV host Savannah Guthrie was likely abducted

Investigators believe the 84-year-old mother of U.S. journalist and television host Savannah Guthrie was abducted, a local sheriff in Arizona said on Monday, after she vanished from her home near Tucson and was reported missing over the weekend.

www.reuters.com

My post here is from Feb 4th:

Post in thread 'Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026'

Feb 4, 2026

Former hostage negotiator offers theory on Nancy Guthrie abduction

The terrifying abduction of Savannah Guthrie's mother Nancy may have been pulled off by a coordinated group of criminals, a former hostage negotiator believes.

www.dailymail.co.uk

What is the card which has been posted in the doorframe in the photo in this article?

• Cardgame

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Was taken from a Daily Mail article linked in that post, but that article has now been updated. However you can see the image with the card in on my post.

MOO but this leads me to suspect that the card was placed there between 2nd Feb and 4th Feb, ie after Nancy went missing. I believe it would be visible in this attached image if it had been there at that time.

But nothing leads me to understand why or who would place it there!

All JMO and MOO. My techno skills are not great so am only hopeful to have done all of the above correctly.

 

[osu]

I looked at her Twitter account last night. No posts since January 28 and her screen name is a period. I'm not sure if it was always a period.

https://x.com/TVAshleigh

AB posted this video about 5 hours ago.

 

[Cardgame]

Sorry, I didn’t know that it was posted about before.Today’s the first day, that I came back to WS after 11 years. I came because of Nancy’s case. And I started reading from page 1041. So I have no idea what was written before that page. I didn’t mean to post something you all have already discussed. Thanks for understanding.

Actually we didn't discuss it all that much, there was so much happening at the time, I think it's very interesting to revisit this card as I have always found it strange.

 

[Cassie P]

She may not have left from home. NG was active. She could’ve been at a friends, book club, a girl gaggle, having her hair done, any number of things.

If she had spend the night at her daughters this may not have happen.
Moo…

If you only live 4 minutes away, most older women want to go back home for the night to their own bed, bathroom, kitchen, etc. Also it is easier if you have medical or social appointments the next morning.

 

[Monepone]

Does the following image represent a second person caught by the front door camera at NGs? I saw this image amongst the images releases and the shoes appeared different to me. Perhaps shoe covering taken off.. pt does not have backpack on... wondered if it was a different second person? Any thoughts?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021359559546486894

This looks like an AI generated image.

 

[Frosty Marsupial]

I don't think that having analysed the blood splatter, it was planted at all, the pattern doesn't show that. You can see there are two sides to it and a large point at the end, almost in a V shape formation. If it was thrown in two stages to create that effect,it crossed over at a point a little. Still, it doesn't its all created in one go.
This pattern suggests that someone was hit with some sort of blunt force at the front door, and we know that it's Nancy's blood. I would suggest that perhaps, quite simply, Nancy was pulled out of the front door and possibly pistol-whipped with the gun. As she's an older lady, her skin is much thinnner so it's unfortunate that she would bleed and bruise much easier than a younger person.
As for who or what or why and all the other speculations, who knows, but let's just look at the evidence there is, not what there could be.

Looks like there is blood mist too. An injury occurs very close to that location IMO

 

[The OG]

Nancy's church had two services in person and viewable online. One at 9:00 a.m. and one at 10:45 a.m.

Has it been verified which service she would normally watch with her friend?

It's already been said she was not expected to be attending her own church, in person or virtually. She was supposed to be watching a live stream of SG's church service.

 

[ivylambs]

Does the following image represent a second person caught by the front door camera at NGs? I saw this image amongst the images releases and the shoes appeared different to me. Perhaps shoe covering taken off.. pt does not have backpack on... wondered if it was a different second person? Any thoughts?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021359559546486894

This is not the original photograph. It’s been colorized by AI and “enhanced” which inserted things like face details that weren’t originally there. The released images were all in black and white.

 

[rebel123]

There are so many threads to this. One thread, surely Nancy would be saying, 'I need my medicines', the person who took her (he / she needs to make sure she's o.k.), goes to the chemist or mail orders the prescription over the internet between 'XX/XX/XX - XX/XX/XX dates. The police know what Nancy requires meds wise, so tracking down orders.

 

[Simply Southern]

I am just curious to know where that data point "specifically" comes from i.e. the contact from the church friend or a specific family member's cell data etc.

If and when there is an arrest, the information may be in the arrest warrant. If not, it will certainly be released during a trial. Details are rarely released to the general public, to protect the integrity of evidence.

I was so worried with a no body trial of Kelsey Brerreth. I was amazed the number of expert witnesses and forensics presented. A slam dunk, in my opinion.

We’re all just gonna have to wait ….
Moo….

 

[Spectrix]

I didn't know alot about BE before Nancy's disappearance, and I've been so impressed with his stamina and coverage. But this has tarnished him IMO. I think he crossed the line and he took it way too far, almost like a tabloid reporter. I don't know if he's so fatigued he didn't think through what he was doing, but I'm less inclined to follow him now.

In Brian's defense, many of us are suspicious that he doesn't in fact sleep. Certainly during this case he'd be lucky to grab the odd nap here and there.
He's usually very respectful and he's regarded as being among the most well regarded independent crime reporters in the US.
It looks a lot worse just because LE clearly had the wrong guy, but that's not quite Brian's fault.

 

[Tortoise]

Perhaps it's just me, but it appears that the stems of the plant are too thin to be any use as a tool. I think he was trying to obscure.

video for reference

Perhaps it was to make the live alert on Nancy's phone look like plants waving about in the wind? Not that they would be that close to the camera.

 

[Simply Southern]

The social workers card left in the door. Its concerning. Did she call, did someone else call for elder abuse? Was N being financially or physically abused by someone in her family or a caregiver?

It maybe standard procedure to notify Protective Services in an adult missing person case. Moo

 

[touchlove]

Welcome Back.

Thank you, for the warm welcome. Wishing you a early good weekend.

 

[cr1menerd]

I don't think that having analysed the blood splatter, it was planted at all, the pattern doesn't show that. You can see there are two sides to it and a large point at the end, almost in a V shape formation. If it was thrown in two stages to create that effect,it crossed over at a point a little. Still, it doesn't its all created in one go.
This pattern suggests that someone was hit with some sort of blunt force at the front door, and we know that it's Nancy's blood. I would suggest that perhaps, quite simply, Nancy was pulled out of the front door and possibly pistol-whipped with the gun. As she's an older lady, her skin is much thinnner so it's unfortunate that she would bleed and bruise much easier than a younger person.
As for who or what or why and all the other speculations, who knows, but let's just look at the evidence there is, not what there could be.

I agree with all of this. I said yesterday the trail reminded me of a nose bleed. Perhaps from being hit in the face near the door.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Yes we discussed this card very early on in this thread. At the time it was my belief that this card appeared *after* the crime, because JMO MOO i don't think it was there in the earliest photos of Nancy's house in the very early days of the investigation. But perhaps I was wrong, I am going to see if there is a way to find out by going back in time over the images. Either way, the leaving of the card was very strange, but if it was indeed before then that is baffling.

Totally agree. The card is very interesting and it'd be good to know when it was left there. It would make sense that APS would be involved when an elderly person is missing. But leaving the card there? I wonder if APS also reached out to the family.

For sure LE knows if there'd ever been APS involvement.