AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Laura Avery]

I'm guessing that one key works for all and not like car keys where each is individual?

Yes I believe so, you know like those sim card removers, maybe a little different between each brand, so Now Ive wrote that is , how did they know what brand it was, or is there some universal object that can be used, Probobly the latter.

 

[GlobeFireCandle]

Right... and I would imagine it would leave a notification on the phone or in the app that it is out of range or it lost connection.

The wording in the timeline is a good clue that this is what LE saw IMO

Pacemaker APP shows DISCONNECT from phone.


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Law enforcement releases timeline of Nancy Guthrie's disappearance

TUCSON, Ariz. (KVOA) - The Pima County Sheriff's Department released an approximate timeline regarding the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.

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Good point, we also don’t actually know for sure that this means she was separated from her phone at this time as Bluetooth could have failed for another reason or been accidentally turned off etc. We do know that she was with her phone just prior to 2.28am when the connection was dropped.

 

[m00c0w]

If held for unreasonable amount of time for them to investigate probable cause and left in handcuffs, a detainment, can become a defacto arrest. That detainee needs council. If what he said was true, his rights were likely violated.

He never left the scene, charges were never filed, a warrant was never sought for his arrest that we know of. He was not arrested. He was detained.

He answered questions, so we know he participated in a custodial interview. No way did they not mirandize him if they believed he was potentially involved. If they provided him advice of rights, he then necessarily waived them to participate in the interview. He could have requested to stop talking without an attorney at any point. Catch is, they’d just have to stop talking to him. He’d still be detained on scene until the search was done.

JMO

 

[SMK777]

I think part of the problem also is the reporting being done on X, with real time blow by blow updates.

I feel some of this contributed to my own belief that SIL might be involved, and I'm very remorseful.

It would probably have been better if none of the actions last night had been disclosed and we were now hearing that a person had been detained and questioned but was subsequently released.

I can't help feeling that the true suspects have realized that it's time to leave the country.

I hope there will be a resolution soon but I have my doubts.

 

[shonyakay]

I don't


Going by the timestamps, it appears as if the fellow in the ski mask was still wandering around the outside of Nancy's house 25 minutes after the door camera disconnected, and that was after spending god knows how long fumbling around the front porch trying to cover the camera with flowers.

This is not a seasoned kidnapper, and yes, 41 (plus) minutes to retrieve an old lady from her home is a very long time.
For goodness sake, did they stop and have a cup of tea together before leaving?

You stated 25 minutes after the door nest camera disconnected. Has there been an official time given of when the Nest video was captured of the suspect at Nancy's front door?
I was under the impression the video was captured around 1:47 a.m. the time when the cam was disconnected.

 

[Tutter]

Went to bed when the guy was detained. Woke up incredibly embarrassed for the police that they made such a show of this detention.

The guy in the video may have seemed like a bumbling amateur, but you have to admit he’s flummoxed the police. Genuinely so surprised by the lack of leads here. Losing some hope today.

No! The MEDIA made such a show of this dentention. Imo. The police didn’t interview the mil in the street and report the guy’s name. the police should not have media following their every step and interfering.
They are doing their job investigating whatever leads they have. This is frustrating but it’s the media that are increasing the fury here imo.

 

[HoveringWombats]

Yes I know, it's claimed by Nest/Google that her doorbell didn't upload to their servers since she wasn't a monthly subscriber, but I think that is Google's dirty little secret: everything is uploaded regardless of subscription status.

I just wanted to talk about this for a moment, since a lot of people seem to be surprised and I think it's important information for being informed consumers of technology products.

If you use a cloud-connected device such as a security camera, the video is going to be uploaded to the servers no matter whether you have a subscription or not. If it wasn't, you would not be able to view the video at all in the app, and you wouldn't get any alerts. The way these cloud cameras work is that the app connects to the cloud service, and the camera connects to the cloud service, and that's where the video feed comes from. It simply does not work without going through the cloud. The subscription is just about whether you get access to any stored video history or not (and maybe things like enhanced alerts and object detection). There are security camera products that do not work this way, and you can buy them, but if you buy a cloud camera like a Nest or Ring, this is how it works.

You should also assume that any video or photos that go through a cloud service may be retained either briefly or indefinitely, and either intentionally or accidentally. This is an unavoidable result of the way these complex distributed systems work; it's not nefarious. I know there are people here who will not believe me, and that's fine, but I can say with certainty that Google is not storing 100% of video and images for all users forever. But that does not mean that every frame is deleted immediately, either (as we have clearly seen in this case). Some stuff is stored for a short period for processing. Other stuff may linger in caches, backups, or other ancillary data stores. Certain things may intentionally be retained for a longer period for various reasons. Sometimes they may be stored in ways that are trivial to access, and sometimes (usually in the more ancillary examples), it takes some real digging to piece it back together.

Two things can be true: not everything that goes to the server is saved, and anything that goes to the server might be saved. I realize that this nuance might be confusing if you're not technical, so it's easier to either assume "canceling the subscription means Google never sees anything" or "Google is lying to us and storing everything forever," but it really is neither of those.

Bottom line, if you're uneasy about having your information in the cloud service, do not buy a cloud-connected device. Buy one that records locally only. These have their own drawbacks, but you should make an informed decision about which tradeoffs make the most sense to you and your own risk profile. I personally don't worry about the cloud storage, but that's just me. No shame in making a different decision for yourself and your family.

 

[Sadi]

El Paso airport announced closed for 10 days last night for national security concern. All flights canceled. Now reopened this morning. Has to be related! MOO

Dbm

 

[Napoli]

L L

I thought that the SIL dropped her off at home and the Uber driver brought Nancy to their house for dinner but I could be mistaken.

IF AG has a ring/nest camera it would probably show their car leaving the area OR one of the neighbor's ring camera would show AG car going down the street to return NG to her home. JMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

I just wanted to talk about this for a moment, since a lot of people seem to be surprised and I think it's important information for being informed consumers of technology products.

If you use a cloud-connected device such as a security camera, the video is going to be uploaded to the servers no matter whether you have a subscription or not. If it wasn't, you would not be able to view the video at all in the app, and you wouldn't get any alerts. The way these cloud cameras work is that the app connects to the cloud service, and the camera connects to the cloud service, and that's where the video feed comes from. It simply does not work without going through the cloud. The subscription is simply about whether you get access to any stored video history or not. There are security camera products that do not work this way, and you can buy them, but if you buy a cloud camera like a Nest or Ring, this is how it works.

You should also assume that any video or photos that go through a cloud service may be retained either briefly or indefinitely, and either intentionally or accidentally. This is an unavoidable result of the way these complex distributed systems work; it's not nefarious. I know there are people here who will not believe me, and that's fine, but I can say with certainty that Google is not storing 100% of video and images for all users forever. But that does not mean that every frame is deleted immediately, either (as we have clearly seen in this case). Some stuff is stored for a short period for processing. Other stuff may linger in caches, backups, or other ancillary data stores. Certain things may intentionally be retained for a longer period for various reasons. Sometimes they may be stored in ways that are trivial to access, and sometimes (usually in the more ancillary examples), it takes some real digging to piece it back together.

Two things can be true: not everything that goes to the server is saved, and anything that goes to the server might be saved. I realize that this nuance might be confusing if you're not technical, so it's easier to either assume "canceling the subscription means Google never sees anything" or "Google is lying to us and storing everything forever," but it really is neither of those.

Bottom line, if you're uneasy about having your information in the cloud service, do not buy a cloud-connected device. Buy one that records locally only. These have their own drawbacks, but you should make an informed decision about which tradeoffs make the most sense to you and your own risk profile. I personally don't worry about the cloud storage, but that's just me. No shame in making a different decision for yourself and your family.

Thank you.

 

[BrittMontero]

No word on Uber driver. I still think its strange AG would not pick up NG for a dinner which was all of 10 min drive. Just bizarre

I don’t find it strange at all. She’s an independent woman, not a child or an invalid who needs supervision.

“Ten minutes away” is 20 min round trip for someone picking her up, plus time to stop what one is doing, get ready, etc. and perhaps she was just being considerate of their time.

We don’t know what other tasks and responsibilities AG and TC have on weekends - maybe a child’s activities, errands, DIY - and even a lost 45 minutes on a Saturday afternoon can eat into a working person’s precious weekend. Why NOT take a quick Uber instead?

 

[Spectrix]

El Paso airport announced closed for 10 days last night for national security concern. All flights canceled. Now reopened this morning. Has to be related! MOO

That airport is over 300 miles away from the Guthrie residence.

 

[Centaurus]

El Paso airport announced closed for 10 days last night for national security concern. All flights canceled. Now reopened this morning. Has to be related! MOO

The airspace is now reopened. I doubt it had anything to do with this case.

 

[brib809]

The El Paso grounding has been lifted we can move on from that now

 

[merrymary]

I feel like the media bungled this not the FBI.

At this point, the media just needs to stand down and let everybody do their job. Following the FBI and Sheriff down the street going from house to house was ridiculous. Any homeowner that was talking to the FBI and gave them permission to check backyards by giving them their gate code needs to change them now...i literally could hear and/or read lips perfectly.

 

[TIGER0822]

@MassGuy Good call on this not being the suspect. I was convinved that he was connected to the crime.

 

[Monepone]

He never left the scene, charges were never filed, a warrant was never sought for his arrest that we know of. He was not arrested. He was detained.

He answered questions, so we know he participated in a custodial interview. No way did they not mirandize him if they believed he was potentially involved. If they provided him advice of rights, he then necessarily waived them to participate in the interview. He could have requested to stop talking without an attorney at any point. Catch is, they’d just have to stop talking to him. He’d still be detained on scene until the search was done.

JMO

If he was cuffed and held for hours to investigate a tip that could have reasonably been investigated in a shorter period of time and without him being cuffed. Then, yeah, an argument could be made that it was a defacto arrest.

 

[Wallendo]

This is still a missing persons case with a victim still assumed to be alive and in need of aid. LE doesn't have time to do deep dive assessments of possible suspects since there is still hope of a successful recovery. Unfortunately, with today's 24 hour news obsession, there is a great deal of attention paid to anyone peripherally involved in cases.

Since kidnapping for ransom is very rare in the US, I doubt there are a lot of "professional" kidnappers available. If this crime was committed by a professional, that person is most likely from another country and likely long gone. Based on the blood at the scene and hints by LE of evidence of violence in the house (although this has never been specifically described), this was likely not a professional job.

 

[Sunshynn]

That airport is over 300 miles away from the Guthrie residence.

Report: FAA lifts El Paso airspace closure after Mexican cartel drone breach

The Federal Aviation Administration has lifted the closure on the airspace in El Paso and all flights will resume as normal after the FAA had grounded all fligh

kfoxtv.com

The closure of the airport has also been lifted and flights will resume normally

 

[MollyHarps]

The person who was detained (now released) and the person on the CCTV look nothing alike imo.

The eyes have a slight similarity - but I am sure the person on the CCTV is white and has a fuller build than the person who was detained.

I do hope the person detained gets the support they need obviously it’ll be a huge shock to them to be plastered all over the media