AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I found another photo. It's hard to find one with an active link because it's an older style:

I like it but where are the iridescent strips on either side of the zipper? The images show an exposed zipper with this feature.

The jacket shown has a flap over zipper.

Close but not it.

JMO
 
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What a flipping circus. Moo
 
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I would be willing to entertain the "Nancy never made it home" scenario except that her garage door went up and then down at the exact time the family said they took her home. I guess they could have driven over and entered the house at that time but why?
To make it look like they took her home. However, I think they took her home. IDK
 
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I found another photo. It's hard to find one with an active link because it's an older style:

But the zipper is visible in the photos LE released. This one the zipper is NOT visible.
 
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So in theory if a member of the G family paid today for a subscription they could potentially retrieve the last 60 days? I think this is FBI tip line worthy. Seriously.

ETA
Or maybe they already did and that's how the recent footage showed up. Still, worth a call JMO

I had a subscription to nest for 60 day cloud storage for over 3 years. Cancelled my subscription to nest for over 6 months. A neighbor had their house broken into. So I renewed my subscription. As soon as I re-subscribed 60 days of past feed showed back up automatically. My next door neighbor at the time was a police officer. They used the feed to apprehend the suspect. Caught his truck on my camera. I didn’t know at the time the past 60 days would be restored like that. And that was about 4 years ago. Not saying they still do this. My camera played out about 2 years ago and opted to install a better security camera system. I thought I read above it was a Ring camera and not Nest. Either way I’m sure if google has the ability to do that with nest. Amazon with Ring should have the same capability (IMO). What I’m not sure of is. I originally had the 60 day subscription. And that’s why it loaded the past 60 days. If I had had like a 30 day or less if it would have gone back to that instead of the 60 days. If that makes any sense at all. On the other hand I was great full I could help my neighbor although that wasn’t the reason for re-subscribing. Didn’t know at the time that would happen. Just a surprising added bonus. But was honestly weirded out by the fact it was still recording to the cloud after subscription was cancelled.
Good tip. I sure hope Google would have already turned over all the video they had instead of making the family jump through hoops and setup a subscription to get it. Seems like it would be illegal for them to withhold video if there was a court order for that data to be turned over.
 
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Are they somehow flying by CBP rules of being within 100 miles of the border not needing a warrant? Or whatever that legal caveat is?
I don't know about the CBP rules but there is also Exigent Circumstances, that allows immediate, no warrant entry if the police reasonably believe someone is in immediate danger of being harmed, evidence could be being destroyed, or a suspect is fleeing.
 
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Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I've been impressed with all your comments here.

I hope that we all can be better, including the news people who are responding to all of us wanting all of the details. But, what happened last night with the many news people interviewing the MIL and getting a lot of information was wrong. I know so many of us were horrified when BE interviewed the MIL, asked for her SIL's name and she said the full name plus many, many other things that she likely said in shock and likely didn't know were better not said. Their family will likely never be the same. MO
The CNN guy, sorry I forget his name, was talking to the person detained last night, and he asked the guy his name and the guy answered, and news guy sort of asked last name or if he wanted to give his last name, and the guy said, no, just first name. And news guy instantly dropped it. I am sure the full name would have been put out there by someone as soon as they figured it out, but a lot of real news journalists will just report on first name unless they receive the name from law enforcement. In this case, MIL said it herself because she wasn't thinking, and then that blasted it out. I don't think that's really the journalist's fault.

I also think MIL was in a no win situation. If she had avoided press, said "we're not talking" or "no comment" or asked for a lawyer, she would have been slammed and devoured for acting suspicious and like she had something to hide. As much as it sucks, her speaking unfiltered and in shock and not showing any indication of knowledge or guilt, I think the public will largely move on from them. The guy and his vehicle were also released very quickly, which I don't think it the norm. It is a traumatic situation to experience, but in terms of attention, I don't think this is going to follow him. He gave the most off the cuff responses possible. The reporter asked him what was going through his mind and he was like, "Oh God, I'm gonna get put away for life" or something along those lines. The media quickly lost interest in him.
 
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Just wondering what everyone is thinking about that jacket. Has anyone ever seen one like that before? It doesn't appear to be a current fashion from what I can see on Google. In fact, I haven't been able to track down one similar. However, I do recall seeing my Polish friend's husband wear something like this.

Maybe if we can help LE identify the jacket--and the jacket is on the rare side--but it will lead to identification when it was purchased?
It looks like a fleece jacket. The up close screen grab from the doorbell camera shows the fabric and slim cuff. I have several that look like that. To me it looks like a very common jacket style. Columbia, LL Bean, Cotopaxi make jackets like that. I’m in Tucson and see this style a lot.

Similar to this style of jacket

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Yes, I thought the jacket looked very retro 80s tracksuit, with iridescent strips along sides of zipper and shoulders( visible for night jogging).

Maybe Goodwill, so it couldn’t be researched, may not be available new today. FBI could look through eBay and some other resale sites, they sell old clothes. If found, search warrant, who they sold to.
JMO
Might not be a bad idea for LE to visit the Salvation Army Thrift Store around the corner from AG/TC's house.


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Good morning.

I would like to start the day by expressing an opinion about what we all saw last night in contrast to what is being reported this morning.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nancy-guthrie-savannah-missing-mom-02-11-26

There was, indeed, a vigorous flutter of hopeful excitement when news broke about a POI being detained during a traffic stop, and the movement of LE in a specific direction. There was even a rising thrum of expectation that air traffic indicated movement to a hospital and, Lord willing, it was NG being taken for treatment.

The moment a location was given, the moment a woman was interviewed on camera and, in the deep emotion of the moment, revealed a name, muttered a last name, a deep dive into the who and where and what started. There was even speculation about whether a person with a similar-sounding last name, and who happened to be a sex offender, was THE person!!!!!

Warrant. They had a warrant! They don't need a warrant. And so on and so forth. The woman allowed them into the house, AND they had a warrant! Phones were taken. Her information was inconsistent...where does the son-in-law work? Where what how...was he driving a van for work???? Would you drive an UBER for an HOUR, and so on and so forth.

Of course we all want NG found. Absolutely! Why else would people from across the world at all hours be peeking in, commenting, proposing scenarios, etc.?

But...

Let's look at the other side, please, because not everyone will process the vague information we have about the person detained last night in the same way:

1) A journalist (dedicated, reliable, exhausted) made the decision to interview a household member live on air.
2) Said household member, in her anxiety and confusion about what was happening quite suddenly to her and her family, revealed snippets of information.
3) A warrant was present, but the search was conducted with her authorization because, as she stated, she had nothing to hide.
4) The first name and mumbled last name offered, in her ignorance (because she didn't realize the can of worms she was opening, of this I am 100% sure), were pounced on and people started digging. Maps, newspaper articles, a potential criminal history.
5) The information she offered under the strain and stress of the situation that was "inconsistent" was used to further justify pointing a finger a digging deeper.

This morning, the POI has been released, but the consequences for this family are far from over. Is the person they detained involved? Honestly, at this point, we don't know. He might have been released pending further investigation and he might be under surveillance even as I type this. We simply DO NOT KNOW.

However, somewhere out there, people who very willingly believe the worst and need to prop up certain personal beliefs will use "Hispanic male", "suspected sex offender", "driving a white van", and conclude "is he even legally in this country?"

We don't know the immigration status of this family, but I am sure we will get chapter and verse, plus added curlicues and frills in short order.

Regardless of your feelings about immigration in this country (and I do not judge people's opinions on this matter because each person has their reasons for holding fast to a particular set of values, peace to you,) an interview given in a moment of stress by a journalist who should have exercised a moment of discretion and still conveyed the gist of the conversation to his viewers undoubtedly will fuel ill-feeling towards people who might/might not be in the know about NG's whereabouts, or what happened at her home.

Full disclosure: I am Hispanic, and my vernacular is Spanish. I was born a US citizen (8 USC §1402 and the Jones-Shafroth Act of 1917) and I am fully bilingual; if you saw me on the street, you would probably think "Mediterranean ancestry? Jewish?" and you'd be correct on both counts. If you spoke to me, you would think I grew up somewhere in the Midwest because that's where the nuns from our school came from. Our last name is so "generic" that we've had people checking our credit in situ tell us that our names come up in an FBI list for wanted drug dealers.

My personal experience is neither here nor there other than it triggers empathy for NG and her family, but it also triggers the understanding that revealing the POI's name and interviewing his mother-in-law on air, and allowing her stress-induced indiscretion in revealing what she did will have serious consequences for this family.

In school (many, many years ago), we studied US History and Civics and Government. My presence (legal...I feel compelled to repeat this because words can be misconstrued very easily in an age when everyone skims and reading comprehension has lost the weight it once carried) in this country as a full-time resident (to the extent of not having gone home for funerals or vacations or flying visits) has now lasted 26 years and I expect to never see my island again...ever. In that time, the pursuit of truth and facts that are carefully and assiduously researched has given way to the instant gratification of "hits on Google".

I want, desperately, for NG to be found; I want her to be safe. I want her to be well. I wish her a peaceful rest of her life surrounded by her family, and some degree (because a totality, after this harrowing period, is never possible) of peace and ease of mind.

At the same time, I feel that we don't have a right to, in our zeal, tear into a family we don't feel as intimately connected to as we do the Guthries. There will be those who, regardless of this POI's release, will descend on his family with merciless anger. As of this moment, only CNN has reported the POI's release. ONE NEWS OUTLET that is widely viewed has reported this. ONE. I don't follow social media, but I am fairly certain that the backlash and the rhetoric about immigration is probably taking off like a Roman candle.

I don't want to be participant in that. That's not why I came here. I came here because one family had suffered a tremendously traumatic event, and I wanted to see NG found. In my stupid, old, possibly naive mind, the frenzy of identifying the POI and starting to gather random threads to weave some cloth based on mumbled information feels tremendously unfair.

Forgive me if you think these are the ravings of a post-menopausal woman who doesn't "get it". I thought we were here to be helpful to each other, to the victims and families. I went to bed last night thinking we might just have been participant in victimizing another family. Hyperbole, perhaps, but to me it's heartbreaking to see this happen.

I say all this with deep respect for everyone's opinion, and for the tremendous intelligence and dedication I have witnessed here. I will watch and listen, but I will not comment further. I want to see this through, but I feel I've said enough and cannot offer anything productive past this point.

Thank you for patience and your tolerance of my wordiness. Peace to all.

Agreed. Free speech comes with great responsibility.
 
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From presser - says he believes she lives alone.
Couldn't walk 50 yards by herself.

IMO.
I wonder if she actually left the house at all. Could she be buried or hidden someone in her house or on her property
 
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Agreed.
Someone very familiar with Nancy's routines was involved in this.
I still do not think at this time it was someone employed by Nancy ?
Jmo.
I think it was a celebrity stalker. If, SG had an unknown stalker, he would be well versed on SG and the family. Most elderly people are home at 1-2 AM. He may even have been watching NG for awhile, saw she went out and came home that evening and decided to abduct her. There is NO QUESTION she was abducted. That guy was not there to trick or treat and NG is gone. It's very simple really. She was home until she wasnt and an armed and disguised person was seen at her door. MOO
 
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You're definitely right that these battery-powered wifi cameras will detect stuff even when they are off of their mounts, as long as they're still in wifi range.

However, the problem I have with this theory is that LE have a very specific "disconnected" time for the doorbell camera, and have had that time for a week now (it was on the sheriff timeline in the Thursday press conference, at least). While we've been assuming that when they said "disconnected" they meant that it shut off, was destroyed, or was otherwise disconnected from the network (in which case it would not have been continuing to detect motion and sending alerts), they theoretically could have meant it was physically disconnected from the wall. But the only way I can see them knowing that is if they had pictures or video of it being disconnected from the wall, and they didn't get pictures until this week. Without pictures, they'd know it was removed (because it was obviously gone), but they would not know what time.

Because they didn't have pictures at the time they provided the timestamp of disconnection, IMO the only reasonable explanation is that that's the time the camera disconnected from the network, and it could not have continued detecting after that (ok, it could have reconnected but I feel like they would have mentioned that). So I think the most straightforward conclusion is that the detection was from a different camera. We already know from other statements and from pictures on the scene that there were other cameras; we just don't know what, if anything, the other cameras detected, and which triggered this supposed later notification.

JMO — there's obviously still a ton we don't actually know here, so we're all guessing.
and I am not sure if my notifications will show when I removed the camera to bring it in to charge it. I will look when it's charged all the way up...both on the app and my notifications.
 
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I like it but where are the iridescent strips on either side of the zipper? The images show an exposed zipper with this feature.

The jacket shown has a flap over zipper.

Close but not it.

JMO
I found another Nautica that was closer and posted it (less additional "decoration"), but I'm too weary to retrace my steps to find it again. I do have the screenshot, but not the accompanying link.

The way I found these jackets was by taking one of the photos of the perpetrator and doing a very specific Google image search on the jacket alone.
 
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Is it true it's a gated community?

Manned gate?

How would someone drive her out?

Smuggled out in a vehicle that had reason to be there? Delivery vehicle for instance...

Why her?

Someone obsessed with Savannah but couldn't get access to her?

Kidnapping for ransom seems almost hopeful... because at least she's still alive in the scenario... but where's the ransom request?

Botched abduction?

JMO
Maybe she didn't leave at all. Maybe someone buried her or has hidden her in the home or on her property
 
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To make it look like they took her home. However, I think they took her home. IDK
Yes I think the 'they never took her home theory esp given the new doorbell camera footage is looking to be more and more unlikely and the steps for them to do a cover up seem, to me, to be contrived. For their sakes I wish LE would provide something more definitive in a statement b/c if they really had nothing to do with this, which imo it seems more likely they didn't have involvement, then they don't deserve to have their reputations damaged like this. JMO
 
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Amazon has been known to deliver at some strange times.
Totally. I heard a car racing down my block at 4am, it screeched to a halt sideways in the middle of the street with its headlights shining into my windows. Guy hopped out and was striding across the lawn to my door. I thought it was a home invasion. I realized it was Amazon only when I heard the package get tossed on my porch and he turned around.
 
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