AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Kapua]

That is interesting and it's something I've been considering. Most people are sure this is motivated by money/ransom, and maybe it is, and probably still the most likely motive, but I'll say it doesn't fit the typical ransom case.

No clear line of communication. No proof of life. Why haven't they provided this by now? Why haven't they given some type of definitive proof they are the actual kidnappers? I mean, we're almost two weeks into this and LE still doesn't know with 100% certainty the ransom notes are from the actual kidnappers.

The fact that this case doesn't exhibit the usual steps that ransom cases take has left the door open for me that there is some other motive here. And one of those possibilities I wondered about was did Savannah Guthrie have some obsessed stalker fan... he went to that house expecting to kidnap Savannah and not her mother? He was surprised about who was inside, and then kidnapped her as some sort of demented consolation prize? This doesn't seem super likely either, because I figure if someone was after Savannah and didn't find her there, they'd just flee. But nothing about this case fits the typical makings of what you usually see in these types of cases.

Yes, thank you, I omitted money/ransom. That's the obvious motive and entirely possible. But there are countless wealthy grandmothers he/they could have preyed upon. They chose the mother of a relatively well-known TV personality. Why? Did they know who she is? Did they want this media attention?

 

[milkshakedonkey]

Possibly looking for evidence this mornings message sender did in fact try to contact AG? just speculative.

 

[TexLil]

I wish we knew what exactly is leading them towards AG or SIL. So, so much time spent searching and photographing her house and her neighborhood. Maybe they’re just trying to cover all their bases, but it still seems like so much? Is this level of scrutiny and searching standard? Hours spent every day

I hope they’re not involved, so I hope it is just standard…

Just wrote something similar.. I agree. For example, have they searched the other sibling's house like this? MOO

 

[NavySubMom]

It was reported here at WS a couple hundred posts back that she attended virtual church services at SG's church in NY. A group of local friends would get together to watch at one person's house. One of this group was supposed to pick NG up to attend this group viewing. I will look for the OP.

Yes, as I said. She attended Online Mass via the internet. Not going to a physical church building, with the altar and priest and congregants.

 

[Wishbone]

I hope they looked at her wifi router to see if his phone tried to sync. There woukd have been some type of data packets they might could recover.

I would have to color him really dumb if in fact he kept his cell phone on his person while committing this crime. JMOO

 

[tlcya]

It is puzzling why they keep going back. You'd think they would have completed anything they needed to do there by now.

without encouraging sluething anyone who shouldn't be, I believe the couple have minor children, so perhaps games, toys or other items they just decided were needed.

 

[NavySubMom]

Or maybe he shouted through the door that he was X (someone she knew) and needed help so she opened the door

What ?

 

[stmichael]

With no time stamps it is impossible to determine. It could be that the pic with no backpack was taken a long time before anything even happened. It could have even been before NG arrived home for all we know. In fact, all the footage could be from before she came home, although removing the camera would be risky unless the perp knew for sure that she'd enter the house through the garage. Otherwise, she likely would have noticed the missing camera and not gone in the house. The perp obviously removed NG via the front door, thus the blood, and that's why they removed the camera beforehand.

There has been some discussion on the time stamp today. Apparently Kash Patel has narrowed the video the the 2-amish point (anyone have a link pls?) so the larger time window has also been narrowed down. Strange they never gave a timestamp or just announced the time up front but it seems they didn't know exactly so maybe a corruption on the server they dug deep to get to (remember that was mentioned in the initial press release).

 

[arielilane]

Just got off the phone with the FBI...here is a Nancy Guthrie status update as of Weds afternoon:

-Despite Bitcoin deadlines passing days ago in original ransom note, it has not been ruled in or out as legitimate and still part of overall investigation

-They are still operating off Kash Patel's latest statement that there are "persons of interest" aka more than one

-They are following up on "tons of leads"

-will not comment on Carlos Palazuelos detainment/release

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021677111602557055

 

[maskedwoman]

Agree. The card was visible in BEs video on 2/3 (where he shows the blood spatter). So it was early—likely before ransom received.

I just googled and apparently it's common for Adult Protective Services to visit a home when a senior goes missing. That totally makes sense. If they were neglected or abused, someone would need to be prosecuted. So it also makes sense that this person would have visited after she disappeared and before the ransom was received.

Google Search

 

[NavySubMom]

It was reported here at WS a couple hundred posts back that she attended virtual church services at SG's church in NY. A group of local friends would get together to watch at one person's house. One of this group was supposed to pick NG up to attend this group viewing. I will look for the OP.

ETA: link to original post AZ - Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

Yes, she did not go to a physical church building. With a group of friends. They watched an online mass via the Internet.

 

[SweetVirginia]

It does seem strange that many of their lights are on at such a late hour. The lights stand out.

Why is that strange? 1.) some people keep an outside light(s) on all night… not just motion lights. 2.) some people are night owls. 3.) it was a Saturday night, perhaps they were entertaining.

 

[investigatoroffacts]

When did we find out about more blood?

Someone on twitter posted a video walking around. I wasn’t sure if it wasn’t posted if we are allowed.

 

[stormymama]

Someone earlier identified the backpack: the Outdoor Products Contender Day Backpack, sold at Kohl’s for $25. The straps, front pocket, and mesh side pockets match the suspect photos.

https://www.kohls.com/product/prd-7181728/outdoor-products-contender-day-backpack.jsp

Thank you, I had not seen that. I've had to skip some posts in this fast moving thread.

 

[tlcya]

There has been some discussion on the time stamp today. Apparently Kash Patel has narrowed the video the the 2-amish point (anyone have a link pls?) so the larger time window has also been narrowed down. Strange they never gave a timestamp or just announced the time up front but it seems they didn't know exactly so maybe a corruption on the server they dug deep to get to (remember that was mentioned in the initial press release).

https://x.com/FBIDirectorKash

 

[whitelilac]

I am curious as to why they would luminol AG's property, but not NG's property (as far as we know, though media would have seen the blue lights and flashing)
Just in case, who knows if the perp's own blood could be in the house along with NG's. Long shot but he could have had a minor injury himself if NG fought back or hit him with an object.

 

[NoseyRecluse]

Yes, as I said. She attended Online Mass via the internet. Not going to a physical church building, with the altar and priest and congregants.

Yes, but a neighbor/friend was supposed to pick her up to bring her to that "group" viewing. And when she didn't answer the door, the neighbor/friend called her family. I'm sorry, I thought that's what you were questioning.

 

[ab01]

Hopefully we don’t get into in depth discussions about a white poodle in a coat before some major break in this case.

 

[whitelilac]

Just wrote something similar.. I agree. For example, have they searched the other sibling's house like this? MOO

Other sibling lives in Vermont.

 

[stmichael]

I wish we knew what exactly is leading them towards AG or SIL. So, so much time spent searching and photographing her house and her neighborhood. Maybe they’re just trying to cover all their bases, but it still seems like so much? Is this level of scrutiny and searching standard? Hours spent every day

I hope they’re not involved, so I hope it is just standard…

It IS interesting and more interesting that they keep popping up in recent searches but the media glosses over why. Harvey Levin was on Fox this morning discussing the new tip email he received and this came up. So he said quiet part out loud--about the rumors of AG and TC online.

Then there is the fact that they were the last ones with her, and it was the last place she left, TC dropped her off, etc. etc. Maybe they even knew or recommended some of the workers that worked on NG's house and were DNA-swabbed.

But yeah, the neighborhood and brush searches around AG's have not been adequately explained to the public IMO.