AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Why is that strange? 1.) some people keep an outside light(s) on all night… not just motion lights. 2.) some people are night owls. 3.) it was a Saturday night, perhaps they were entertaining.
Would those lights pass the City of Tucson and Pima County Outdoor Lighting Code, designed to minimize light pollution and reduce energy waste?
 
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There has been some discussion on the time stamp today. Apparently Kash Patel has narrowed the video the the 2-amish point (anyone have a link pls?) so the larger time window has also been narrowed down. Strange they never gave a timestamp or just announced the time up front but it seems they didn't know exactly so maybe a corruption on the server they dug deep to get to (remember that was mentioned in the initial press release).
BBM:
No, not Two Amish guys! 🤣
 
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If there’s no forced entry, how did he get NG to open the door? Maybe he said, “Hey, it’s so-and-so, and your (son, daughter, grandson) needs help (as in, accident or ill) - please come with me- I’ve been sent to get you” for example (only) and/or he identified as someone she knew so she opened the door

Do we know for sure that the front door is how he entered? It seems plausible that in one scenario, he could come to the front door, disarm the camera so that when he's ready to leave with NG, there's no camera footage. He doesn't have to enter the house the same way.
 
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So maybe just retreiving things the family requested as needing, but can't get for themselves because of media/youtubers all over the place??

jmo
Then why searching brush in that immediate neighborhood?
Why going door to door asking neighbors for cam footage?
Why are they wearing rubber gloves leaving AGs house with the bag today? (just saw the footage)

btw MSM is starting to ask these questions now, one reporter said it doesn't make sense cause it's not like AG's house has become a home base or area for them to be, yet they keep coming back searching, and wearing evidence kits.
 
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It’s very difficult to not believe there is some tie to him when they keep going back to that area near their home. That tells us that there is something authorities are hung up on there or a piece of the timeline that isn’t super clear.

I can say that a missing body isn’t good for a quick inheritance settlement. It usually takes 7 years to deem someone dead without a body. However, I wonder if NG helped them out financially as they were close to her. Meanwhile, the other siblings moved away and do well for themselves. Maybe they needed a loan or to get out of financial trouble and NG declined help. There are so many things to consider, but the fact that SIL was the last to see her alive is enough to consider all potential motives.

Oh and one more thing, does anyone wonder why they would have their mother take an uber to their home only a few miles away?! If that’s the case, why not have her take both ways via uber? If I were to pick one way to drive, it would’ve been the earlier time, not the later. MOO I would never put my elderly mother in an uber to begin with if I lived that close!
I think she didn't drive at night. Pretty common. My parents and in-laws all gave up driving at night in their 70s. I don't think using an Uber is strange at all.
 
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Sorry if this has been posted before and sad to write this. I think the SIL is involved. I think she was taken and killed and hidden in.the desert. Why not in.the house? So the house would not be a murder/crime scene. Perhaps done for an early inheritance. MOO of course any thoughts?
He'd have to wait five years for an inheritance, if there even is one.

 
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Why would the Perp have driven to AG's neighborhood to toss evidence? That makes absolutely zero sense to me.

I would expect that to be done in the vicinity of NG house or major roads leading away from the crime, but not in the residential neighborhood of the victims family. So odd
Perhaps their thinking was that everyone would be looking on the major roads but not focusing on the neighborhoods behind residential fences where it wouldn't be easily visible by drive by. Kind of a reverse psychology notion.
 
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Fantastic visual description for those of us who need a visual model to comprehend distance, thank you
A football field is 100 yards.
 
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I logged off last night after they detained the man in Rio Rico, saw a Brian Entin update saying the man had been released, and now am just back seeing the updates regarding LE removing items from AG's home... it's been a wild 24 hours... Thank you so much to people posting updates from Twitter/X feeds as I don't have it!

Curious if, in the many pages of the past 12 or so hours, there was ever any understanding of what the man detained in Rio Rico had to do with it?
I'm 50/50 on: 1) he was in no way related to the crime and maybe delivered NG a package once which resulted in his DNA being nearby and maybe had a nosy neighbor that tipped LE off on a "similar" appearance (which I disagree with) OR 2) he was an accessory in the crime in some way possibly not even knowing it was related to NG and LE got more information from him (sort of like a plea deal but less formal - not sure what that would be called) to lead to the bigger fish involved and let him go. Odd though that they apparently asked him no questions, which makes 2) seem... less likely. It would also attract probably unwanted attention but then again maybe LE wants to provoke the perp(s) more now.

If he's truly innocent, wow, what a terrible experience for him and his family. I hope LE would compensate them for the damage to their home.

I think wherever LE thinks NG may be, it would be more obvious? Dogs, choppers, ground search... I didn't see any of that in Rio Rico and I don't think we're seeing it in Tucson.
 
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If that's what the objective is then I might think they have some inkling of a vehicle and general direction of travel. It is possible that there is evidence of a vehicle leaving the area of NG's home. How far could you fling a small camera from a moving car? Makes you wonder if they have a list of things to be on the lookout for.
moo
I just don’t buy that they’re looking for a camera in the neighborhood. I mean of all the desert out there, why would you toss it anywhere near NG’s or AG’s neighborhood? Drive any direction 20 minutes, throw it and it’s probably never getting found
 
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I am curious as to why they would luminol AG's property, but not NG's property (as far as we know, though media would have seen the blue lights and flashing)
Just in case, who knows if the perp's own blood could be in the house along with NG's. Long shot but he could have had a minor injury himself if NG fought back or hit him with an object.
There is no proof that luminol was used at AG's property. People have speculated about it based on the circumstances, but we have no idea what they were actually doing in AG's garage. Just clarifying, because a lot of misinfo has been going around with threads moving at such a fast pace.
 
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Would those lights pass the City of Tucson and Pima County Outdoor Lighting Code, designed to minimize light pollution and reduce energy waste?
I am not familiar with the lighting code, I was simply replying to a prior post as to possible explanation for the lights across the street.
 
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Wish people could see by now exactly what is happening here, its getting pretty clear who is the FBI's prime suspect even if they won't name them.
I don't think it's clear at all considering they had an entirely separate POI detained and home searched just last night. Not saying it's not possible, but I don't think it's pretty clear at all.
 
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Then why searching brush in that immediate neighborhood?
Why going door to door asking neighbors for cam footage?
Why are they wearing rubber gloves leaving AGs house with the bag today? (just saw the footage)

btw MSM is starting to ask these questions now, one reporter said it doesn't make sense cause it's not like AG's house has become a home base or area for them to be, yet they keep coming back searching, and wearing evidence kits.
Those searches are not the same as the activity at AG's house today.....in my opinion.

imo
 

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