AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[pulchra73]

I’ve considered NG car was being borrowed by AG.NG took an uber to AG house to either visit or pick up her car.Did AG or SIL drive her home in her own car and decided to return it later.The garage door may have opened more times than we are lead to believe.

Where was it said AG borrowed NG's car?

 

[milkshakedonkey]

has it been noted on this forum that the eyes and mouth of the SIL seem to resemble the guy in the mask? does he have a solid alibi? hate to speculate about a family member but...

Obviously the family has seen these photos and would be able to identify their own family.

 

[Cassie P]

Moo..I just picked up a rechargeable small but powerful lite you can clip on ..I could put clip part in my mouth..it has a sensor so I can turn on and off with out touching. Dollar store $15.
I am starting to wonder if another journalists ego is part of this....moo

How do you turn it on and off without touching it? How does the sensor work?

 

[flp]

With the amount of resources poured into this investigation (several hundred FBI agents and detectives), it seems to be they would be able to exclude family members by now.

 

[TIGER0822]

Obviously the family has seen these photos and would be able to identify their own family.

The son in laws eyes are narrow. The suspects are more round. Very different in my opinion.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021696831298974038

 

[maskedwoman]

She made it home, though. Phone, watch, pacemaker are all connected and LE tells us she was at home. This isn't questionable. If you choose not to believe LE, then go with whatever pie in the sky suits you.

I believe LE will have to use geo information from her phone/watch prove she made it home that evening. The garage door going up and down really only proves the door went up and down.

The daughter and SIL say they brought her home and that may be 100% true. But LE is going to need some way to prove that. Assuming anyone is ever charged for whatever has been done, a defense attorney will suggest them as possible perpetrators. unless there is evidentiary proof she safely reached the house.

I'm still a little confused about the pacemaker and phone. The Sheriff said phone lost connection with the pacemaker, but I keep reading that they don't even connect until the pacemaker sends its nightly report. That makes sense to me for the purposes of battery preservation.

MOO

 

[BrittMontero]

I can think of a scenario that would cause me - also a senior lady living alone - to open that door - and that is if I could not see those things - if it was pitch black and i couldn’t see the person on the porch AND he said he was LE. So if the lights and camera were disabled first I might - but I would have a 9mm in one hand and a flashlight in the other and I would open it very cautiously even if I thought it was LE. Also note I’m not sure whether the full moon would allow enough light to see the mask or gun even if he lights and camera had already been disabled but if I did see that I certainly would not open it.

The only other scenario that I can think of that would cause me to open the door is if I recognized the voice of the person and they were pounding on the door and yelling through it that it was an emergency. In that case I might open it without even having tried to look out first - or grab my gun or flashlight.

I'm a 60+ woman living alone in an ultra-safe, bland community. But even if someone said they were LE I would never open the door.

I'd speak to them out the window and call 911 and ask for verification that authentic LE - be it local cops, state, fed, whatever - were on my doorstep. The police station is a mile away and anyone pounding on my door can wait until a squad car arrives to back me up.

I would not open at 2am to a recognized voice unless I could see them, see their vehicle and see that they were unaccompanied. Otherwise, calling 911. Even threat of a gas leak, I'd probably just open a couple of windows till the responders arrived.

And I am lax, hardly paranoid, about security. But there are too many good ruses out there.

As an aside, beware of kittens meowing. Pretending to be an abandoned, scared kitten is one of the eerier ruses used to lure people out of their homes.

 

[HoveringWombats]

The timeout length before an alert is triggered may be fairly long on your car too. I have a Bluetooth speaker in my kitchen. If I just walk 10ft away to the dining room then the connection will begin to cut out. The pacemaker uses a low power connection over Bluetooth and wouldn’t have the antennas a larger device (such as a car for example) might have, or unlimited power to maintain a connection over long distances.

Yes. Bluetooth will not work from multiple houses away; it can just take a while to notice and show that it's disconnected. It absolutely can and will disconnect within the same house (depending on many factors including what the devices are, how the house is constructed, the layout of the house, any interference from other things, etc.). JMO.

 

[allboys]

It would be taken at Nancy's house as they took her and placed at the scene or under a windscreen wiper at AGs

I am from a country where this was commonplace in the 70s and 80s and has gone on in kidnappings up till 5 years ago

But that does not show proof of life days later. I thought that was what was being discussed. We must be talking about two different things. Also, purchasing a Polaroid camera does give the potential for evidence.

 

[TheButlerDidIt]

BE says that they’re back at AG’s house. They took more stuff. Maybe they left some equipment there or are bringing stuff over to the family. Same goes for retrieving their mail for them.

has it been noted on this forum that the eyes and mouth of the SIL seem to resemble the guy in the mask? does he have a solid alibi? hate to speculate about a family member but...

 

[Cblewife]

The timeout length before an alert is triggered may be fairly long on your car too. I have a Bluetooth speaker in my kitchen. If I just walk 10ft away to the dining room then the connection will begin to cut out. The pacemaker uses a low power connection over Bluetooth and wouldn’t have the antennas a larger device (such as a car for example) might have, or unlimited power to maintain a connection over long distances.

Interesting! Thank you. See ... I said I only had experience with mine. Lol

 

[jbennett]

Wondering if anyone can think of a case where hiring a private investigator helped more than it added to the confusion.
I really can't think of any off the top of my head.

 

[H73]

Potential evidence . . glove found along roadway similar to one in video

 

[korncrasy]

Where was it said AG borrowed NG's car?

I began my sentence “ I’ve considered”.I said it.

 

[tricia]

MOO.

I would imagine the abductor, trying to prevent leaving any DNA from stray hairs, etc., wore fresh clothes to NG’s house. (However bumbling they may be in some ways, they seem to have managed not to leave DNA that got found–and some article said the ransom note bragged about that, though I don’t know if that was validated.) I was initially thinking the jacket was likely to be from Walmart since the backpack seems to be. I agree with others that the overall jacket style is pretty basic–but the zipper is not. It’s got contrasting piping on each side of the zipper rather than the zipper itself being high-contrast. I could not find any like it at Walmart online, with both the horizontal dark line across and the contrast zipper style. But I did find a soft shell that’s sold in Europe that is very similar to that style. I believe Pitch Stone is a Scandinavian brand. I do not know if it’s sold in the US. (I’m an American who moved to Scandinavia.)

Thank you and Welcome. This is great sleuthing.
Could you please add a link to the pictures of the clothing? We do require links back to photos. Obviously you do not need to link back to the door camera but if you could please post the links to the photos or send me a direct message (icon in the upper right hand corner next to your user name) and I can add them to your post.
Thank you.

 

[nightowl2728]

Iranian sleeper cell - that is the only thing that makes sense at this point.

It sounds crazy to me as well but this is obviously bigger than what any of us originally thought.

I think there are negotiations going on behind the scenes and Nancy is still alive.

The non payment of the bitcoin ransom and Savannah's solo plea makes sense now.

I agree with other posters this theory seems wild to me, without additional context/evidence. But I will say I agree with you that I think there could be more to this case than it seems. Either that or it's remarkably simple. I think it will be one way or the other.
I go back to some original thoughts, which were triggered with the nothingburger last night, that who could be interested in dragging this out and benefiting from the situation in general? I'm not sure the answer but I think it may be helpful to analyze that a bit more beyond the obvious.

MOO

My apologies if this video of bags being carried out has already been posted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021684846469234730

I agree that maybe they were gathering clothes, personal items, mail, even cleaning out the fridge, since AG's family hasn't been there. And they don't want to contaminate anything with their prints given it's the last place NG was known to be seen.
I also think if AG's house was truly an active crime scene the road would be blocked off so media couldn't see everything LE was doing. What I'm saying is LE being there today doesn't push me in either direction on the family.

 

[HoveringWombats]

Potential evidence . . glove found along roadway similar to one in video

Is this confirmed information? Do you have a link? Very interesting if true....

 

[Chimera]

Kidnapping though? That seems personal.

At the risk of sounding cold, why would you bother moving an 84-year old lady when it's easier to NOT move her? It just adds risk and work.

Agreed ... and have asked myself why would they take Nancy at all ?

Someone(s) who had a vested interest in making sure Nancy was no longer alive and gone for good ?
Imo, doesn't fit with a random robbery or even a (horrid to say) SA.
IF she's found weeks or even moths from now, whomever harmed her can just say that an intruder dragged her from her home and that they had nothing to do with it !

That will hold up as long as there's no viable evidence.
So the question is : Does anyone benefit from Nancy's death (if she is no longer alive which sounds like the obvious and tragic outcome) ?
Omo.

 

[MassGuy]

Wondering if anyone can think of a case where hiring a private investigator helped more than it added to the confusion.
I really can't think of any off the top of my head.

It has happened, but generally it's in the "cold case" stage, from what I have seen anyway.