Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Friday Fan]

Could it a bunch of weirdo teens/young group of people working together, not in unison, explaining the stupidity of the ransom (seems like an afterthought if genuine) and trying to get in/dealing with the door cam? If so, then one of them will probably crack. People are still leaning towards this being a one-on-one personal attack.

Someone brought up the Zizian cult. That’s an interesting theory.

This is not the MO of the Zizians. They are anarchist criminals. Their crimes are quasi politically motivated. (Sorta like Charles Manson's were) I know they attack authority figures (landlords who won't let them squat) and law enforcement. I don't see that here.

 

[jtfolden]

I can only respond how

My experience is only with my Bluetooth, but I wouldn't think it would disconnect within the house. If I leave my phone at home, I get an alert on my car screen saying my phone is disconnected. I'm usually several houses away before that happens. I have no clue if a more expensive phone handles it better or if it's even possible, but I just have a little Android.

The timeout length before an alert is triggered may be fairly long on your car too. I have a Bluetooth speaker in my kitchen. If I just walk 10ft away to the dining room then the connection will begin to cut out. The pacemaker uses a low power connection over Bluetooth and wouldn’t have the antennas a larger device (such as a car for example) might have, or unlimited power to maintain a connection over long distances.

 

[Bodhi]

I thought he/she looks very calm. Didn't stress over seeing the camera, no frantic movements. IMO, this type of demeanor would be helpful in getting an elderly person to cooperate with you.

Interesting observation! Not only is Nancy elderly, she typically used a hearing aid and it was the middle of the night. The kidnapper's casual demeanor and slower pace would have facilitated processing in a frightening, confusing situation. It'd be more likely to induce compliance.

 

[TheButlerDidIt]

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[GussiedCanoodler]

I asked earlier this morning how they identified the person who was detained because I thought he said he didn’t know why they suspected him. I was told that it was because of cell phone tower data but I just found the video with him again and he DEFINITELY said he does not know how. Could someone please link the source that says it was from cell phone tower data? If there is no source, please do not present assumptions as facts, it makes things confusing

 

[OneLove]

It will disconnect, generally speaking, within 10-33ft or so depending on the environment (walls, etc).

And to clarify further, this does not in any way stop the pacemaker from continuing to work. It only prevents the data from being transmitted for monitoring. The pacemaker will continue until its own internal battery runs out, generally not for many years. NG should be safe as far as her pacemaker continuing to work.

 

[pulchra73]

I’ve considered NG car was being borrowed by AG.NG took an uber to AG house to either visit or pick up her car.Did AG or SIL drive her home in her own car and decided to return it later.The garage door may have opened more times than we are lead to believe.

Where was it said AG borrowed NG's car?

 

[milkshakedonkey]

has it been noted on this forum that the eyes and mouth of the SIL seem to resemble the guy in the mask? does he have a solid alibi? hate to speculate about a family member but...

Obviously the family has seen these photos and would be able to identify their own family.

 

[Cassie P]

Moo..I just picked up a rechargeable small but powerful lite you can clip on ..I could put clip part in my mouth..it has a sensor so I can turn on and off with out touching. Dollar store $15.
I am starting to wonder if another journalists ego is part of this....moo

How do you turn it on and off without touching it? How does the sensor work?

 

[flp]

With the amount of resources poured into this investigation (several hundred FBI agents and detectives), it seems to be they would be able to exclude family members by now.

 

[TIGER0822]

Obviously the family has seen these photos and would be able to identify their own family.

The son in laws eyes are narrow. The suspects are more round. Very different in my opinion.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021696831298974038

 

[maskedwoman]

She made it home, though. Phone, watch, pacemaker are all connected and LE tells us she was at home. This isn't questionable. If you choose not to believe LE, then go with whatever pie in the sky suits you.

I believe LE will have to use geo information from her phone/watch prove she made it home that evening. The garage door going up and down really only proves the door went up and down.

The daughter and SIL say they brought her home and that may be 100% true. But LE is going to need some way to prove that. Assuming anyone is ever charged for whatever has been done, a defense attorney will suggest them as possible perpetrators. unless there is evidentiary proof she safely reached the house.

I'm still a little confused about the pacemaker and phone. The Sheriff said phone lost connection with the pacemaker, but I keep reading that they don't even connect until the pacemaker sends its nightly report. That makes sense to me for the purposes of battery preservation.

MOO

 

[BrittMontero]

I can think of a scenario that would cause me - also a senior lady living alone - to open that door - and that is if I could not see those things - if it was pitch black and i couldn’t see the person on the porch AND he said he was LE. So if the lights and camera were disabled first I might - but I would have a 9mm in one hand and a flashlight in the other and I would open it very cautiously even if I thought it was LE. Also note I’m not sure whether the full moon would allow enough light to see the mask or gun even if he lights and camera had already been disabled but if I did see that I certainly would not open it.

The only other scenario that I can think of that would cause me to open the door is if I recognized the voice of the person and they were pounding on the door and yelling through it that it was an emergency. In that case I might open it without even having tried to look out first - or grab my gun or flashlight.

I'm a 60+ woman living alone in an ultra-safe, bland community. But even if someone said they were LE I would never open the door.

I'd speak to them out the window and call 911 and ask for verification that authentic LE - be it local cops, state, fed, whatever - were on my doorstep. The police station is a mile away and anyone pounding on my door can wait until a squad car arrives to back me up.

I would not open at 2am to a recognized voice unless I could see them, see their vehicle and see that they were unaccompanied. Otherwise, calling 911. Even threat of a gas leak, I'd probably just open a couple of windows till the responders arrived.

And I am lax, hardly paranoid, about security. But there are too many good ruses out there.

As an aside, beware of kittens meowing. Pretending to be an abandoned, scared kitten is one of the eerier ruses used to lure people out of their homes.

 

[HoveringWombats]

The timeout length before an alert is triggered may be fairly long on your car too. I have a Bluetooth speaker in my kitchen. If I just walk 10ft away to the dining room then the connection will begin to cut out. The pacemaker uses a low power connection over Bluetooth and wouldn’t have the antennas a larger device (such as a car for example) might have, or unlimited power to maintain a connection over long distances.

Yes. Bluetooth will not work from multiple houses away; it can just take a while to notice and show that it's disconnected. It absolutely can and will disconnect within the same house (depending on many factors including what the devices are, how the house is constructed, the layout of the house, any interference from other things, etc.). JMO.

 

[allboys]

It would be taken at Nancy's house as they took her and placed at the scene or under a windscreen wiper at AGs

I am from a country where this was commonplace in the 70s and 80s and has gone on in kidnappings up till 5 years ago

But that does not show proof of life days later. I thought that was what was being discussed. We must be talking about two different things. Also, purchasing a Polaroid camera does give the potential for evidence.

 

[TheButlerDidIt]

BE says that they’re back at AG’s house. They took more stuff. Maybe they left some equipment there or are bringing stuff over to the family. Same goes for retrieving their mail for them.

has it been noted on this forum that the eyes and mouth of the SIL seem to resemble the guy in the mask? does he have a solid alibi? hate to speculate about a family member but...

 

[Cblewife]

The timeout length before an alert is triggered may be fairly long on your car too. I have a Bluetooth speaker in my kitchen. If I just walk 10ft away to the dining room then the connection will begin to cut out. The pacemaker uses a low power connection over Bluetooth and wouldn’t have the antennas a larger device (such as a car for example) might have, or unlimited power to maintain a connection over long distances.

Interesting! Thank you. See ... I said I only had experience with mine. Lol

 

[jbennett]

Wondering if anyone can think of a case where hiring a private investigator helped more than it added to the confusion.
I really can't think of any off the top of my head.

 

[H73]

Potential evidence . . glove found along roadway similar to one in video