• #23,001
Not necessarily true. A Texas homeowner recently won under Texas ‘State’ Law. https://ij.org/press-release/victor...m-destroyed-her-home-while-pursuing-fugitive/

There are other cases out there of LE entering the wrong address, destroying property that homeowners are filing cases. Trina Martin, Atlanta, GA home was raided in 2017. The case went to the Supreme Court challenging governments responsibility in ‘honest mistakes’ in wrong-house raids. The court ruled last summer that they are entitled to compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act.
This would not be a “wrong-house raid”. An example of that would be if they accidentally went to CP’s neighbor and kicked in their door. This house was the house they were targeting and had a search warrant for. They had legal authority to be there and execute the warrant. Complete apples and oranges with the examples given.

That being said, agencies have also gotten much better about reimbursing for repair costs as a result of these court hearings. So there’s a good chance at getting repairs at least partially covered, especially if it turns out there was no evidence of the specified crimes at the location.

JMO
 
  • #23,002
She had to have been abducted from her home; there's no other rational explanation for the liquid blood trail at the front door and down the sidewalk. It wasn't there at the time of the doorbell cam footage released yesterday.
It would be difficult to collect and place blood at a scene later because it would coagulate.
She obviously exited her front door.
And was her front door locked? If it was, who locked it and how?
 
  • #23,003
If you could ask LE/FBI any question about this case and receive an answer,
What would you ask?
I'd like to know what the ransom note said or what the house looked like inside.
What information did they get that sent them back to NG's house and roof, when they found another camera.
 
  • #23,004
Yes- i've said very early on that PCSD calling off search efforts after a day was a bad idea. Even if they thought a crime was committed from the get-go NG could've been abandoned somewhere quickly out in the desert.

I understand LE resources are limited and they probably started focusing on the ransom, but there are plenty of people who'd be willing to help conduct grid searches. If NG is somewhere out in the desert- 10 days later isnt a good outlook.

JMO
I agree. Looking next to nearby dirt desert roads, and roads up into the nearby hills.
It’s possible NG was quickly taken out car, placed somewhere hidden, but not that far away. They wouldn’t want to drive around long with her in the car.

Or they might have thrown out their clothes other evidence nearby, I hope LE looked in all nearby dumpsters.

I know the desert is vast, and ruthless weather, hot and dry, even at this time of year.

I read about LE looking beside roads today, good start.

I’m really surprised the gas station cameras have not revealed a vehicle. Time period was middle of night, not that much traffic.

All, JMO
 
  • #23,005
Very interesting interviews by Brian Entin of a former homicide detective of Pima county aswell as a retired under sheriff of Pima county, who also worked with sheriff Nanos.
They give their professional view on the case.
Worth to watch IMO

 
  • #23,006
Is this the same guy they detained yesterday or there is another driver today?
Same guy. He was pulled over and detained while doing DD deliveries w his wife and kids in the car south of Tucson.

He worked for GLS delivering in a van all week in Tucson and said "he might have delivered to her house" regarding NG in an interview, so his phone likely pinged.
 
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I'm just speculating here, but likely Walmart, Amazon, Dick's Sporting Goods and a few other vendors are being asked to supply records of purchases involving the items worn by the person seen on the camera, ie - items sold to a person or two in AZ. Remember how Kohberger's amazon history pre and post murders became relevant? MOO.
 
  • #23,009
This is what I posted earlier today: Some men tattoo their wrist with a cross. When they extend their arm, the cross is placed as seen in copied pic. Looking at perp’s wrist, I’m wondering if I see a cross due to the spacing from top to mid-section?
That's a stretch. Nothing is visible IMO
 
  • #23,010
Anybody else sort of disgusted watching the media circus? Like tuning into a live stream all you see is people following cops around and harassing people leaving flowers at Nancy’s house. Not sure I have ever seen a crime scene like this
I am not disgusted because one doesn't have to tune into the live stream(s) if they don't want to and if the people in that neighborhood are doing something wrong I'm sure LE would be all over it. If people feel harassed they won't have to go far to report it because LE is in the area or they can call it in.

I've seen media like this at many scenes. I lived near the Anthony's when Caylee Anthony went missing. Our streets were overrun with media and searchers. We (my parents and I) understood though because Caylee was missing. We wanted as much attention on her as possible even if it got crazy at times.

I see some people don't like certain media and/or YouTubers reporting in the area. That's ok. Don't watch them.


Moo.
 
  • #23,011
What about a motorbike driver? What if the glove-thrower was a passenger (i.e. accomplice)

Has anyone considered that the images they released from the door camera are NOT THE ONLY IMAGES they have from the camera? It is likely the battery operated on the camera long after it was removed from the mount. I'm guessing that LE has pictures from that camera showing it in scrub somewhere and THAT is why they were looking in Folks yards yesterday and in NG's yard today. They would know the camera was discarded, in scrub, and how soon after it was removed from the mount, so that narrows the distance it could be significantly. Just a thought, fwiw, IMHO.
Excellent thinking.I bring my camera inside to charge it.I place it on my floor because we use it to see if mice enter our engine ( to me this makes my camera a hanta virus carrier).While on the floor it continues to record video and live viewing of my heat radiator if I haven’t manually turned it off.
 
  • #23,012
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But if that guy was “cleared” why is DD posting about it today? Strange …
Someone shared it today recently but the post was made last night by DoorDash at 1:00 a.m. Always look for time & date clues.
 
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Excellent thinking.I bring my camera inside to charge it.I place it on my floor because we use it to see if mice enter our engine ( to me this makes my camera a hanta virus carrier).While on the floor it continues to record video and live viewing of my heat radiator if I haven’t manually turned it off.
WTH
 
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This convinces me more and more the perpetrator arrived and left ON FOOT, they are examining too much along the scrub land between the properties to actually believe that they drove to or from the scene.
How could he, or even multiple people, move a body on foot out of the area?
 
  • #23,017
I’m wondering if a possible explanation for one of the two cops at AG’s house leaving with a bag of groceries today could be that the family needed some supplies/toiletries/snacks but didn’t want to risk their privacy, and more importantly, their life safety, by either going to a physical store, or typing in the address for where they’re currently staying when ordering online, where it could be viewable, and thus leakable, by website staff, the personal shopper and other in-store staff, the delivery driver etc.

If there’s a policeman going to the house every day, to remove mail while wearing gloves, in case a hard-copy ransom letter gets sent there in the family’s absence, maybe the family said “We’re going to be ordering a few things from Whole Foods, with a “Leave on the doorstep” instruction. Please could you have someone bring it to our secure, unknown location when your guy goes today to get the mail?”

Just my own thoughts and opinion, but it crossed my mind as a possibility.
Plausible.
 
  • #23,018
I think the possibility of a political motive can't be ruled out. The fact that SG called Senator Mark Kelly before anyone raises some questions with me. He's currently under political attack of his own and being made an example of by the current administration. His wife was also violently targeted by a deranged individual who killed several others. It could just be because they are close and she trusts him. But, on the other hand, could there have been something left in the house that indicated to her that this was a politically motivated crime? Was she seeking his advice? Fearful of who to trust?
He represents Arizona as senator. A lot of people will call on their house and senate representatives for support.
 
  • #23,019
I wear disposable vinyl gloves for everything. I'm a serial hair dyer. I wear gloves whenever I dust or clean. We have nitrile gloves too. Nitrile is recommended when handling paint thinner or solvents and are a bit sturdier than vinyl and cost a bit more. Hubby prefers nitrile. My hair dresser wears nitrile.

They may be nitrile or butyl. The thicker butyl gloves for chemical handling are like space suit gloves and resist acid. It looks like her wore that variety.

In either case, it would be hard to get a grip on anything, much less get a finger in the trigger guard of the gun. It's a very odd choice. You can see him fumbling when he handles the doorbell cam then goes to pick up the latanas. If he was confronted with an armed defender he would be at a great disadvantage drawing and handling a firearm w/ those gloves on.

I actually use these gloves in my workshop for cleaning guns, or using harsh solvents for stripping/refinishing firearms (using Acetone, M.E.K. and other chemical strippers). They are hella cumbersome.
 

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Wouldn't it be easier to use dogs?
I've been trying to keep up so apologies if this has been answered, but are there are statements out there about what the dogs hit on and where they lost the scent? I only read of dogs having been used here, if anyone has a link to source speaking of dogs being used I'd appreciate it.
 
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