AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[luc1fer12]

I wonder if the blood is throwing us off. We know it is NG’s blood, but do we know if it was “fresh”?

1. I’ve seen it posted here that masked man with flowers approached the front door at ~ 1:50am?

If the above is true, NG likely wasn’t removed from the home, via the front door, before 1:50am. If that time is not confirmed, the rest of what I have to say is likely irrelevant.

2. If NG was removed from the home through the front door (as we believe due to the blood) prior to 1:50am, there would be footage from that operable camera.

IF mask guy is a clean up guy:

it would stand to reason that NG wasn’t removed from the home via the front door, and the blood was from another time. There would be footage of them taking her out the front door prior to the camera being disabled. If she was removed prior to 1:50, we would see it just like we see masked man.

This tracks because it wouldn’t make sense for home intruders to enter through the rear of the home and then exit the front door, where you are open to being seen (yes, unlikely in that neighborhood, but still about the dumbest thing you could do). If your vehicle is in the side driveway, and you entered under darkness from the backyard, there is no logical reason to exit va the front door.

OR

NG was still in the house at 1:50, bound or dead, with a home intruder in the house and masked man was summoned to the house to help remove her. Masked man knows he’s approaching a crime scene, and is apprehensive; hence his hand on the gun. He notices the camera as he looks in the front door to make sure it’s safe and reaches for the flowers to hide himself before entering. Masked man is there to help remove the bleeding, injured or dead NG.

Again, this assumes what I’ve read here that he disabled the camera at 1:50 and a different camera picked up motion at 2:10. And pacemaker disconnected at about 2:30. If he was a “clean up guy”, he wasn’t doubling back to clean up after NG was removed. He was either working alone, there to help remove her or begin clean up while she was still in the home

 

[rebel123]

Most think he is holding a small flashlight between his teeth. He knew it would be pitch black on the front porch. Darkness is a criminal's friend. That's why he was in no hurry working at the front door. I would not live in a town where I can't at least have a porch light, especially if not allowed to have street lights.

If he was a 'professional' he would have one of those head mounted lights. He knows it's dark, so prepare for the 'conditions'.

 

[Spectrix]

Hey, Guys. Do we have a map or timeline pinned anywhere on this case ?

I think I can help with that -

Google Maps - Nancy Guthrie's Residence

 

[mickey2942]

Coyotes in this area generally run away from people. They are usually hunting small rabbits, rodents, stray pets. Personally, I have encountered Coyotes in Tucson, Las Vegas, they don't attack or even confront humans.

 

[luc1fer12]

My amateur's investigative advice:

This guy looks relaxed like he has done this before. He went right for that foliage to cover the camera. Speculation: that has worked for him before somewhere else. Look for burglaries with that detail.

I am still of the opinion that this was a burglary gone wrong/SA. The person knew Nancy from some casual encounter as a laborer or delivery person or the criminal was lurking around that neighborhood looking for the darkest house.

That made the most sense to me too, with one exception: Home intruders were aware NG had a rich daughter, so figured NG likely has significant valuables. Somewhere along the way, she is injured and succumbs to her injuries. the home intruders take her to give the illusion she is alive in hopes of getting a ransom.

It’s that last piece that gives me doubt: Would a couple of amateur B&E criminals know how to contact the family to deliver the ransom message? If they’re just petty criminals, they’d be in a complete panic when NG died. They wouldn’t have the bravado to come to potentially out themselves by asking for ransom. Poor NG would be buried in the woods or in a body of water.

 

[Spectrix]

I wonder if the blood is throwing us off. We know it is NG’s blood, but do we know if it was “fresh”?

1. I’ve seen it posted here that masked man with flowers approached the front door at ~ 1:50am?

If the above is true, NG likely wasn’t removed from the home, via the front door, before 1:50am. If that time is not confirmed, the rest of what I have to say is likely irrelevant.

2. If NG was removed from the home through the front door (as we believe due to the blood) prior to 1:50am, there would be footage from that operable camera.

1:47am is when the doorbell camera disconnected. It may be that it was either switched off or destroyed immediately after the existing doorbell cam footage was taken.

It doesn't look like the drops of blood are present on the porch at the time of the footage, so I am of the opinion that she was removed from the house via the front door afterwards - at or around 2:28am when her pacemaker disconnected from her phone (phone was left at residence, Nancy was removed).

 

[luc1fer12]

Around that time is when the doorbell camera disconnected. It may be that it was either switched off or destroyed immediately after that footage was taken.

It doesn't look like the drops of blood are present on the porch at the time of the footage, so I am of the opinion that she was removed from the house via the front door afterwards.

Right. It means masked man is there to help with the removal of NG, not that he was there as a clean up guy after the fact.

And I hate to say it, but the timeline is what leads me to believe she passed during the home invasion.

It was 40 minutes from camera destruction, to her being out of range of her phone. Seems if you are there for the purpose of kidnapping, you wouldn’t stay in the home with her for 40 minutes. If you are cleaning up a murder scene and burglarizing the home, you would

 

[Tortoise]

From Ashleigh Banfield - it looks as if he may have torn a hole in the left index finger of his glove, from doorbell video released. I'm thinking possibly when he picked the flowers.

screenshot (from timestamp 18.45)

 

[Strangeworld]

I'm not sure about the gloves they found - would he really just throw them out in a public space like that? I guess if he thought he wasn't captured on the camera he might hope that noone would make the connection

 

[luc1fer12]

Asking as I have no idea how these apps work.

NG’s pacemaker app:
would the body’s panic response to a home invasion appear in the app data?

if she had a medical event, and died, during the home invasion would the app not pick that up?

We have heard of the app disconnecting, but not of any irregular activity prior to her being out of its range (presumably)

we presume the app disconnected because she moved out of range. Would the app disconnect just the same if she passed away in range of the app?

 

[Cassie P]

If he was a 'professional' he would have one of those head mounted lights. He knows it's dark, so prepare for the 'conditions'.

I wondered the same thing. Why not use a head mounted light? The mouth light is more risky.
It is apt to fall and be left at the crime scene with saliva DNA.

But people here are saying this guy looks like he kitted himself at the Walmart bargain bin, so perhaps a head mounted light was too pricey for him.

 

[SMK777]

I'm not sure about the gloves they found - would he really just throw them out in a public space like that? I guess if he thought he wasn't captured on the camera he might hope that noone would make the connection

I've wondered the same. I surely would not in his circumstances.

 

[tkcrockett]

Asking as I have no idea how these apps work.

NG’s pacemaker app:
would the body’s panic response to a home invasion appear in the app data?

if she had a medical event, and died, during the home invasion would the app not pick that up?

We have heard of the app disconnecting, but not of any irregular activity prior to her being out of its range (presumably)

we presume the app disconnected because she moved out of range. Would the app disconnect just the same if she passed away in range of the app?

Fargo posted a wonderful pacemaker explanation up thread.

 

[shonyakay]

Morning all. I may have jumped the gun a bit yesterday with a wild theory. My apologies.

Per Megyn Kelly there was blood going all the way down Nancy's walkway up to the driveway area and stops at the driveway area that extends across her front yard.

Early reports that we all were hearing was that the blood didn't go past the doorway nook.

There doesn't appear to be a vehicle parked there though in the door nest cam.

Maybe the purpose of disconnecting the door cam was to remove it because the perp(s) planned to bring their vehicle up to the driveway to bring Nancy out that way and they didn't want the camera to capture their vehicle.

An outsider, after disconnecting the door cam, could have brought their vehicle up to the front driveway area with a plan to take Nancy out to it.

An insider, after disconnecting the door cam, could have brought their vehicle up to the front driveway area to remove Nancy (alive or dead) from her home.

Basically what I am saying is I still don't know what the heck happened and reserve the right to change my mind at any point which I have countless times since the story broke.

I just hope that Nancy is brought home. Preferably alive but even if deceased so she can be laid to rest properly. It is heartbreaking all around.

One thing is for sure Nancy didn't deserve any of this.

 

[rebel123]

I'm not sure about the gloves they found - would he really just throw them out in a public space like that? I guess if he thought he wasn't captured on the camera he might hope that noone would make the connection

We know he's an 'amateur', I'm assuming when you decide to kidnap someone, the idea is to extract them as 'quickly' as possible, this individual hasn't done that. He spent time 'fumbling' about near the porch. So yes 'he would throw them away'.

 

[luc1fer12]

From Ashleigh Banfield - it looks as if he may have torn a hole in the left index finger of his glove, from doorbell video released. I'm thinking possibly when he picked the flowers.

screenshot (from timestamp 18.45)

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I could be wrong, but I think there is a video capture or render error there. Those gloves are THICK, like you would use for bbq or for handling dangerous chemicals. I’d be shocked to find out there is a hole in them.

 

[MsWarrior55]

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[Cassie P]

That made the most sense to me too, with one exception: Home intruders were aware NG had a rich daughter, so figured NG likely has significant valuables. Somewhere along the way, she is injured and succumbs to her injuries. the home intruders take her to give the illusion she is alive in hopes of getting a ransom.

It’s that last piece that gives me doubt: Would a couple of amateur B&E criminals know how to contact the family to deliver the ransom message? If they’re just petty criminals, they’d be in a complete panic when NG died. They wouldn’t have the bravado to come to potentially out themselves by asking for ransom. Poor NG would be buried in the woods or in a body of water.

BBM. Yes this is my question as well. Can random B&E robbers pivot to a $6 million dollar kidnapping?

Routine small time robbers don't usually want to murder or kidnap people. They want quick cash or valuable items.

I suppose it is possible. They go into an older woman's house. Think they can grab some quick cash/items and exit. But it all goes sideways fast and they panic. Spur of the moment decision to take the body with them to protect themselves. Then at some point they decide to try for a big payout ransom. Maybe one of them has the necessary tech skills or they have a friend or relative who does.

 

[Cedars]

It was 40 minutes from camera destruction, to her being out of range of her phone. Seems if you are there for the purpose of kidnapping, you wouldn’t stay in the home with her for 40 minutes. If you are cleaning up a murder scene and burglarizing the home, you would

I just wonder whether they disconnected the camera and gained access to the home, but then retreated to see whether an alarm had been triggered somewhere, or by her.

Seems exactly 1/2 hr between disconnecting camera and an intruder being detected in the home, I am wondering whether that was 20+ min hide and wait time, before pulling car up into her driveway.

 

[rebel123]

The black gloves look like disposable 'nitrile disposable gloves'.