Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[girlhasnoname]

Can you get fingerprints off the inside of gloves?

Maybe not fingerprints, but DNA unless the perp had another pair of gloves under those found. Those look like kick boxing gloves to me, not the easiest to manipulate small things while wearing them. JMO

 

[Cassie P]

I know someone who uses one. He works on big injection molding machines that have dark barrels with lots of moving parts, and needs light but his hands free. I'm sure there are many other uses.

So mechanics, factory workers, plumbers, electricians?

 

[TMich6811]

I’m not digging for the comment but re: APS, there is suspected abuse (by whomever took her) and unlawful imprisonment here. It would be an appropriate referral even without other reasons.

 

[Cassie P]

Maybe to get her to sell the home? Move away? Someone who wants the property or could benefit from the sell. Again just MOO

Yes but they just lowered the property value. Who wants to buy a house in this area now?

 

[connie9030]

The FBI knows what time the masked guy was on the front porch. The video footage wasn't time stamped for us to see but the time would be known from the sequences of captures from the camera, not just that night. The FBI is not going to tell us it seems. I think the guy had already been in the house and the backpack had the indoor cameras in it, possibly a laptop and tablet. Plus any jewelry, cash, and small electronics that would fit. I don't think he worked alone and the other guy or girl was still in the house with Nancy probably making her get dressed and so forth. (if it was a kidnapping). Nancy was probably bleeding from fighting back.
They were probably parked a distance away, and one of them also had to get the vehicle they left in to transport Nancy because we know she couldn't have walked very far.
I stopped posting very much when I saw the pics and video of the masked guy because it literally make me nauseous to think that it was what Nancy was awakened to.
I so hope that the gloves are not a plant by another sick monster. The gloves will leave prints due to the oils in the skin. I have to wonder if the gloves were turned inside out when found. Someone using gloves very often will pull the gloves off inside out.
I have no hope of catching up because the thread is moving so fast. The family has been on my mind nonstop since this senseless tragedy happened.

That'a really good point. The cameras are in the backpack! I too felt sick when I realized the horror Nancy went being awaked by that lunatic.

 

[no nonsense]

Hadn’t seen this before. Is the photo real?

Law enforcement thought Nancy Guthrie's smart camera was disconnected, but Google Nest still had the tape | Fortune

Google's privacy policy — which users often blindly agree to after purchasing a device — makes clear that videos can be captured when a device is offline.

fortune.com

 

[Cassie P]

I’m not digging for the comment but re: APS, there is suspected abuse (by whomever took her) and unlawful imprisonment here. It would be an appropriate referral even without other reasons.

I agree, it looks like a social worker from Adult Protective Services made a home visit and left a card. Which might be appropriate if they thought an older person had wandered off?

 

[tkcrockett]

Most think he is holding a small flashlight between his teeth. He knew it would be pitch black on the front porch. Darkness is a criminal's friend. That's why he was in no hurry working at the front door. I would not live in a town where I can't at least have a porch light, especially if not allowed to have street lights.

I’ve been thinking about porch lights too. In images fbi released we see lights behind masked man. Initially I saw folks comment maybe car lights. That’s frequently corrected to be porch lights from house across from Nancy. So, they could use porch lights?

 

[Cassie P]

My amateur's investigative advice:

This guy looks relaxed like he has done this before. He went right for that foliage to cover the camera. Speculation: that has worked for him before somewhere else. Look for burglaries with that detail.

I am still of the opinion that this was a burglary gone wrong/SA. The person knew Nancy from some casual encounter as a laborer or delivery person or the criminal was lurking around that neighborhood looking for the darkest house.

If he had done it before, why not bring something specially to cover up the door camera? Can he count on shrubbery to be present at every robbery?

 

[303gmf]

Yes but they just lowered the property value. Who wants to buy a house in this area now?

Me! I’d snap it up immediately

 

[luc1fer12]

I wonder if the blood is throwing us off. We know it is NG’s blood, but do we know if it was “fresh”?

1. I’ve seen it posted here that masked man with flowers approached the front door at ~ 1:50am?

If the above is true, NG likely wasn’t removed from the home, via the front door, before 1:50am. If that time is not confirmed, the rest of what I have to say is likely irrelevant.

2. If NG was removed from the home through the front door (as we believe due to the blood) prior to 1:50am, there would be footage from that operable camera.

IF mask guy is a clean up guy:

it would stand to reason that NG wasn’t removed from the home via the front door, and the blood was from another time. There would be footage of them taking her out the front door prior to the camera being disabled. If she was removed prior to 1:50, we would see it just like we see masked man.

This tracks because it wouldn’t make sense for home intruders to enter through the rear of the home and then exit the front door, where you are open to being seen (yes, unlikely in that neighborhood, but still about the dumbest thing you could do). If your vehicle is in the side driveway, and you entered under darkness from the backyard, there is no logical reason to exit va the front door.

OR

NG was still in the house at 1:50, bound or dead, with a home intruder in the house and masked man was summoned to the house to help remove her. Masked man knows he’s approaching a crime scene, and is apprehensive; hence his hand on the gun. He notices the camera as he looks in the front door to make sure it’s safe and reaches for the flowers to hide himself before entering. Masked man is there to help remove the bleeding, injured or dead NG.

Again, this assumes what I’ve read here that he disabled the camera at 1:50 and a different camera picked up motion at 2:10. And pacemaker disconnected at about 2:30. If he was a “clean up guy”, he wasn’t doubling back to clean up after NG was removed. He was either working alone, there to help remove her or begin clean up while she was still in the home

 

[rebel123]

Most think he is holding a small flashlight between his teeth. He knew it would be pitch black on the front porch. Darkness is a criminal's friend. That's why he was in no hurry working at the front door. I would not live in a town where I can't at least have a porch light, especially if not allowed to have street lights.

If he was a 'professional' he would have one of those head mounted lights. He knows it's dark, so prepare for the 'conditions'.

 

[Spectrix]

Hey, Guys. Do we have a map or timeline pinned anywhere on this case ?

I think I can help with that -

Google Maps - Nancy Guthrie's Residence

 

[mickey2942]

Coyotes in this area generally run away from people. They are usually hunting small rabbits, rodents, stray pets. Personally, I have encountered Coyotes in Tucson, Las Vegas, they don't attack or even confront humans.

 

[luc1fer12]

My amateur's investigative advice:

This guy looks relaxed like he has done this before. He went right for that foliage to cover the camera. Speculation: that has worked for him before somewhere else. Look for burglaries with that detail.

I am still of the opinion that this was a burglary gone wrong/SA. The person knew Nancy from some casual encounter as a laborer or delivery person or the criminal was lurking around that neighborhood looking for the darkest house.

That made the most sense to me too, with one exception: Home intruders were aware NG had a rich daughter, so figured NG likely has significant valuables. Somewhere along the way, she is injured and succumbs to her injuries. the home intruders take her to give the illusion she is alive in hopes of getting a ransom.

It’s that last piece that gives me doubt: Would a couple of amateur B&E criminals know how to contact the family to deliver the ransom message? If they’re just petty criminals, they’d be in a complete panic when NG died. They wouldn’t have the bravado to come to potentially out themselves by asking for ransom. Poor NG would be buried in the woods or in a body of water.

 

[Spectrix]

I wonder if the blood is throwing us off. We know it is NG’s blood, but do we know if it was “fresh”?

1. I’ve seen it posted here that masked man with flowers approached the front door at ~ 1:50am?

If the above is true, NG likely wasn’t removed from the home, via the front door, before 1:50am. If that time is not confirmed, the rest of what I have to say is likely irrelevant.

2. If NG was removed from the home through the front door (as we believe due to the blood) prior to 1:50am, there would be footage from that operable camera.

1:47am is when the doorbell camera disconnected. It may be that it was either switched off or destroyed immediately after the existing doorbell cam footage was taken.

It doesn't look like the drops of blood are present on the porch at the time of the footage, so I am of the opinion that she was removed from the house via the front door afterwards - at or around 2:28am when her pacemaker disconnected from her phone (phone was left at residence, Nancy was removed).

 

[luc1fer12]

Around that time is when the doorbell camera disconnected. It may be that it was either switched off or destroyed immediately after that footage was taken.

It doesn't look like the drops of blood are present on the porch at the time of the footage, so I am of the opinion that she was removed from the house via the front door afterwards.

Right. It means masked man is there to help with the removal of NG, not that he was there as a clean up guy after the fact.

And I hate to say it, but the timeline is what leads me to believe she passed during the home invasion.

It was 40 minutes from camera destruction, to her being out of range of her phone. Seems if you are there for the purpose of kidnapping, you wouldn’t stay in the home with her for 40 minutes. If you are cleaning up a murder scene and burglarizing the home, you would

 

[Tortoise]

From Ashleigh Banfield - it looks as if he may have torn a hole in the left index finger of his glove, from doorbell video released. I'm thinking possibly when he picked the flowers.

screenshot (from timestamp 18.45)

 

[Strangeworld]

I'm not sure about the gloves they found - would he really just throw them out in a public space like that? I guess if he thought he wasn't captured on the camera he might hope that noone would make the connection

 

[luc1fer12]

Asking as I have no idea how these apps work.

NG’s pacemaker app:
would the body’s panic response to a home invasion appear in the app data?

if she had a medical event, and died, during the home invasion would the app not pick that up?

We have heard of the app disconnecting, but not of any irregular activity prior to her being out of its range (presumably)

we presume the app disconnected because she moved out of range. Would the app disconnect just the same if she passed away in range of the app?