Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[rebel123]

Can you get fingerprints off the inside of gloves?

Yes, but I'd say they would be 'smudged', have natural oils etc. So probably no, I could be wrong.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Hey, Guys. Do we have a map or timeline pinned anywhere on this case ?

 

[submarine7]

Harbor Freight

I was thinking the same thing. The mouth flashlight is not something I see often.

 

[Chucky42]

Totally agree. This is an F-up of epic proportions on the part of basically everyone involved. It’s nearly incomprehensible.

NG should be living her life. From the lack of readily available, inexpensive proactive domestic security measures to bumpkin police who didn’t conduct timely, basic due diligence to a chaotic and grandstanding FBI, everyone involved in this case has abjectly failed this gentle lady.

Perfectly said

 

[pulchra73]

Why kidnap Nancy for ransom when you don't even try to contact the victim's family? If money was their goal, they failed so now what? But why? It clearly wasn't for money.

Maybe things went wrong very quickly. They didn't think things through properly. I imagine they are panicking now. IMOO

 

[submarine7]

Yes, but I'd say they would be 'smudged', have natural oils etc. So probably no, I could be wrong.

It looked like he was likely wearing multiple pairs of gloves. I suppose DNA is possible?

 

[pulchra73]

I saw this site when Hannah Kobayashi went missing, and I posted once about her case. I'm not a regular to this site, so please excuse any potential violations of the written and unwritten rules.

But I wanted to say something, because I'm really bothered by the Adult Protective Services (APS) business card on Nancy Guthrie's front door. I am a physician and have worked in an affiliated relationship with APS in my state. APS generally does not get involved with an older adult unless an APS report is filed. This can come from anyone: friends, family, medical providers, financial representatives, etc. But it is usually filed because someone is worried that an older adult is suffering from abuse. There are five primary types of abuse: neglect, self-neglect, verbal abuse, physical abuse, and financial abuse. It does not seem like Nancy Guthrie was suffering from self-neglect: she doesn't have markers of self-neglect, like malnutrition, poor hygiene, or hoarding behaviors. So that likely means that someone suspected neglect, verbal abuse, physical abuse, and/or financial abuse. These are all perpetrated on an older adult, by someone else -- so someone may have suspected that Nancy Guthrie was being abused by someone else. APS can turn this information over to law enforcement -- they usually work closely with law enforcement.

Is this why law enforcement has focused so heavily on on Nancy Guthrie's family, especially her family that lives in Tucson?

One more thing: I've seen patients bleed and then try to leave the ER or hospital against medical advice. Bleeding, while walking or being transported, leaves a linear bloodstain. It's one blood drop, then another, and then a line of blood drops. Like leaving a trail of breadcrumbs. That's not the blood trail around Nancy Guthrie's front entrance.

Wasn't this put in the door on the Tuesday after her disappearance?

 

[Boxer]

I was thinking the same thing. The mouth flashlight is not something I see often.

I was thinking it seems like its just a keychain single led flashlight, from an impulse bin.

 

[Cassie P]

Can someone clarify why the Amazon package is still sitting there unopened? I would think it would be important to confirm whether it contains anything relevant to the case. With all the letters and ransom notes they are reporting showing up after the night NG went missing, please help a gal understand why they wouldn’t look in it? And take it away?

I guess LE will get to it eventually.

 

[Strangeworld]

It really is strange watching some of the activities of LE and the FBI at this stage in the investigation. They are doing things that IMO would typically be done in the first few days. Not even activities that would need to be based on any lead, just standard leg work prioritised early.

I don't want to talk negatively about LE, I know they have a tough job and have to manage their resources. But I wonder what happened in the first week Nancy was missing, why the lack of containment of the crime scene, why it took a member of the public to identify the roof camera, why neighbours weren't spoken to as a priority (well, they may have been and recent door knocking was follow up), etc etc etc

 

[mickey2942]

I am interested in the backpack of the intruder. It is completely full. Maybe with a blanket? Or?

Has the police disclosed if anything is missing from the home?

The blood, could that possibly be from a bloody nose?

 

[Cassie P]

Interesting theory. If his role was 'cleanup' that might explain the porch perp's lackadaisical style, his extreme layering to avoid DNA transfer, and a stuffed backpack, which could contain tools of his trade such as a sack or tarp.

If this theory has any legs, it could imply an accomplice inside already, having entered another way. And as an OP opined re: odd sized tire tracks on the driveway, perhaps NG was taken out in a trash can that the 'cleanup' guy brought.

It would also imply, if at all close to the truth, that NG's disappearance and the ransom circus may be separate crimes.

I just have to wonder if NG walked into a home invasion when she returned from dinner on 1/31. Either the perps were already inside or they were waiting for her to return. And sadly, perhaps she was murdered to eliminate a witness. Unless the perp(s)'s intent was to kill her.

Total speculation and my own opinion. Since we're on Day 12, it just makes me wonder if this was not an abduction.

Does a clean up guy need a gun hanging from his belt?
ETA: The gun was meant to intimidate others, the clean up guy doesn't need to do that. Unless it is just immature bravado.

 

[Strangeworld]

Does a clean up guy need a gun hanging from his belt?

He really does look clumsy with that gun

 

[LaLaw2000]

The FBI knows what time the masked guy was on the front porch. The video footage wasn't time stamped for us to see but the time would be known from the sequences of captures from the camera, not just that night. The FBI is not going to tell us it seems. I think the guy had already been in the house and the backpack had the indoor cameras in it, possibly a laptop and tablet. Plus any jewelry, cash, and small electronics that would fit. I don't think he worked alone and the other guy or girl was still in the house with Nancy probably making her get dressed and so forth. (if it was a kidnapping). Nancy was probably bleeding from fighting back.
They were probably parked a distance away, and one of them also had to get the vehicle they left in to transport Nancy because we know she couldn't have walked very far.
I stopped posting very much when I saw the pics and video of the masked guy because it literally make me nauseous to think that it was what Nancy was awakened to.
I so hope that the gloves are not a plant by another sick monster. The gloves will leave prints due to the oils in the skin. I have to wonder if the gloves were turned inside out when found. Someone using gloves very often will pull the gloves off inside out.
I have no hope of catching up because the thread is moving so fast. The family has been on my mind nonstop since this senseless tragedy happened.

 

[flakesofsnow]

is it possible that the mask is designed to look like a person wearing a mask and therefore those are not real facial features that we see. and perhaps it has a built in light where your mouth would be. This person appears to be old and weak to me. Perhaps a love interest of NG. Maybe he walked her to his house.

 

[submarine7]

is it possible that the mask is designed to look like a person wearing a mask and therefore those are not real facial features that we see. and perhaps it has a built in light where your mouth would be. This person appears to be old and weak to me. Perhaps a love interest of NG. Maybe he walked her to his house.

It looks like multiple masks. I don't think he looks old though. I'd say 35 or under.

 

[Spectrix]

I don't think anyone has talked about the rope the criminal picks up ,in the video. Bends down on right side of entrance , can plainly see it's a rope.Or has that been mentioned ?

It's flowers that he is picking up, not rope -

At timestamp 0:24 in this video:

 

[LaLaw2000]

Does a clean up guy need a gun hanging from his belt?

He thought he needed a weapon. I heard someone on TV comment that there are coyotes out there. Evidently he thought he might need it. He was taking his time in front of the house and that is one of the reasons I thought he may have already been in the house. He was way too calm. Did Nancy have a motion sensing light on the porch?

 

[LarryLujack]

is it possible that the mask is designed to look like a person wearing a mask and therefore those are not real facial features that we see. and perhaps it has a built in light where your mouth would be. This person appears to be old and weak to me. Perhaps a love interest of NG. Maybe he walked her to his house.

now this is thinking outside the box...

 

[Cassie P]

The FBI knows what time the masked guy was on the front porch. The video footage wasn't time stamped for us to see but the time would be known from the sequences of captures from the camera, not just that night. The FBI is not going to tell us it seems. I think the guy had already been in the house and the backpack had the indoor cameras in it, possibly a laptop and tablet. Plus any jewelry, cash, and small electronics that would fit. I don't think he worked alone and the other guy or girl was still in the house with Nancy probably making her get dressed and so forth. (if it was a kidnapping). Nancy was probably bleeding from fighting back.
They were probably parked a distance away, and one of them also had to get the vehicle they left in to transport Nancy because we know she couldn't have walked very far.
I stopped posting very much when I saw the pics and video of the masked guy because it literally make me nauseous to think that it was what Nancy was awakened to.
I so hope that the gloves are not a plant by another sick monster. The gloves will leave prints due to the oils in the skin. I have to wonder if the gloves were turned inside out when found. Someone using gloves very often will pull the gloves off inside out.
I have no hope of catching up because the thread is moving so fast. The family has been on my mind nonstop since this senseless tragedy happened.

1. Kidnappers don't usually stop to pick up inexpensive items in the home? This was a business crime to garner $6 million. Why waste valuable time picking up items worth way less than that sum?

2. However the guy on the video seems young, inexperienced, clueless, perhaps poor. So I suppose he might have helped himself to anything he saw.

3. Perhaps he was doing the kidnapping for someone else. The brains of the operation.

4. Or it was never a kidnapping, but just a random break in looking for anything of value. A robber which went bad. Ransom was done by someone else separate from the home robbery.