AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Interesting theory. If his role was 'cleanup' that might explain the porch perp's lackadaisical style, his extreme layering to avoid DNA transfer, and a stuffed backpack, which could contain tools of his trade such as a sack or tarp.

If this theory has any legs, it could imply an accomplice inside already, having entered another way. And as an OP opined re: odd sized tire tracks on the driveway, perhaps NG was taken out in a trash can that the 'cleanup' guy brought.

It would also imply, if at all close to the truth, that NG's disappearance and the ransom circus may be separate crimes.

I just have to wonder if NG walked into a home invasion when she returned from dinner on 1/31. Either the perps were already inside or they were waiting for her to return. And sadly, perhaps she was murdered to eliminate a witness. Unless the perp(s)'s intent was to kill her.

Total speculation and my own opinion. Since we're on Day 12, it just makes me wonder if this was not an abduction.
Wow. Interesting speculation. Thanks for making me think
 
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If it hasn't rained, the 'glove' (if relevant) might have finger prints on it.
 
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If it hasn't rained, the 'glove' (if relevant) might have finger prints on it.
It hasn’t rained but it is supposed to in a couple days.

Also I find it very interesting that local Tucson news channel KVOA is saying, “a pair of black gloves were located. The gloves have been submitted for DNA analysis”. Are they just misinformed, or were two gloves actually found?

 
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She didn’t make it home, and the person in the video was staging/ distraction. The blood is proven to be Nancy, but it’s transfer.

Why did it take so long to find the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 glove?

Because of all the noise and distraction.
 
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I can't understand, why a member of the APS would place a card at the front door, when "the possible abuser" would be able to see and read it. Wouldn't it be a warning to the person, who is suspect to abuse NG in any form?
Yes, unless this was the reason she was disappeared. Financial or physical abuse.
 
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This is my first post regarding this incredibly unusual case. I have noticed that the black gloves that have been discussed are used by mechanics, as well as other people. I just realized that the person in the video on Ms. Guthrie's front porch also had a "mouth" flashlight. I think mechanics also use those frequently. It may be nothing, but thought I would share. It may be a coincidence that two of the objects are used by that particular profession.
Harbor Freight
 
  • #23,728
She didn’t make it home, and the person in the video was staging/ distraction. The blood is proven to be Nancy, but it’s transfer.

Why did it take so long to find the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 glove?

Because of all the noise and distraction.
Pretty elaborate to have an aspiration of blood on the walk though.
 
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Can you get fingerprints off the inside of gloves?
 
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Presumably, APS has been questioned to see IF there was a report, WHEN, and what did it say, WHO made the report, or is it unknown who left it there. Very strange. JMO
 
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Can you get fingerprints off the inside of gloves?
Yes, but I'd say they would be 'smudged', have natural oils etc. So probably no, I could be wrong.
 
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Hey, Guys. Do we have a map or timeline pinned anywhere on this case ?
 
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Totally agree. This is an F-up of epic proportions on the part of basically everyone involved. It’s nearly incomprehensible.

NG should be living her life. From the lack of readily available, inexpensive proactive domestic security measures to bumpkin police who didn’t conduct timely, basic due diligence to a chaotic and grandstanding FBI, everyone involved in this case has abjectly failed this gentle lady.
Perfectly said
 
  • #23,735
Why kidnap Nancy for ransom when you don't even try to contact the victim's family? If money was their goal, they failed so now what? But why? It clearly wasn't for money.
Maybe things went wrong very quickly. They didn't think things through properly. I imagine they are panicking now. IMOO
 
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Yes, but I'd say they would be 'smudged', have natural oils etc. So probably no, I could be wrong.
It looked like he was likely wearing multiple pairs of gloves. I suppose DNA is possible?
 
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I saw this site when Hannah Kobayashi went missing, and I posted once about her case. I'm not a regular to this site, so please excuse any potential violations of the written and unwritten rules.

But I wanted to say something, because I'm really bothered by the Adult Protective Services (APS) business card on Nancy Guthrie's front door. I am a physician and have worked in an affiliated relationship with APS in my state. APS generally does not get involved with an older adult unless an APS report is filed. This can come from anyone: friends, family, medical providers, financial representatives, etc. But it is usually filed because someone is worried that an older adult is suffering from abuse. There are five primary types of abuse: neglect, self-neglect, verbal abuse, physical abuse, and financial abuse. It does not seem like Nancy Guthrie was suffering from self-neglect: she doesn't have markers of self-neglect, like malnutrition, poor hygiene, or hoarding behaviors. So that likely means that someone suspected neglect, verbal abuse, physical abuse, and/or financial abuse. These are all perpetrated on an older adult, by someone else -- so someone may have suspected that Nancy Guthrie was being abused by someone else. APS can turn this information over to law enforcement -- they usually work closely with law enforcement.

Is this why law enforcement has focused so heavily on on Nancy Guthrie's family, especially her family that lives in Tucson?

One more thing: I've seen patients bleed and then try to leave the ER or hospital against medical advice. Bleeding, while walking or being transported, leaves a linear bloodstain. It's one blood drop, then another, and then a line of blood drops. Like leaving a trail of breadcrumbs. That's not the blood trail around Nancy Guthrie's front entrance.
Wasn't this put in the door on the Tuesday after her disappearance?
 
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I was thinking the same thing. The mouth flashlight is not something I see often.
I was thinking it seems like its just a keychain single led flashlight, from an impulse bin.
 
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Can someone clarify why the Amazon package is still sitting there unopened? I would think it would be important to confirm whether it contains anything relevant to the case. With all the letters and ransom notes they are reporting showing up after the night NG went missing, please help a gal understand why they wouldn’t look in it? And take it away?
I guess LE will get to it eventually. :(
 
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It really is strange watching some of the activities of LE and the FBI at this stage in the investigation. They are doing things that IMO would typically be done in the first few days. Not even activities that would need to be based on any lead, just standard leg work prioritised early.

I don't want to talk negatively about LE, I know they have a tough job and have to manage their resources. But I wonder what happened in the first week Nancy was missing, why the lack of containment of the crime scene, why it took a member of the public to identify the roof camera, why neighbours weren't spoken to as a priority (well, they may have been and recent door knocking was follow up), etc etc etc
 

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