AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Cindizzi]

The zoom in provided useful information on a potential reason they were there. It appears they are carrying a cell phone and the phone showed agent had height app on phone. Photo of phone from Fox Digital. Not confirmed, but possible the mounting bracket for the ring camera was taken.

I agree it gives important information. Was a good catch by them.
Not sure why it struck me as funny. I’ve just been watching videos of yesterday with hordes of reporters following the investigators while they work.
Not a criticism of this particular reporting.

 

[Kapua]

<Snipped by me> Per Megyn Kelly there was blood going all the way down Nancy's walkway up to the driveway area and stops at the driveway area that extends across her front yard.

Early reports that we all were hearing was that the blood didn't go past the doorway nook.

There doesn't appear to be a vehicle parked there though in the door nest cam.

Maybe the purpose of disconnecting the door cam was to remove it because the perp(s) planned to bring their vehicle up to the driveway to bring Nancy out that way and they didn't want the camera to capture their vehicle.

An outsider, after disconnecting the door cam, could have brought their vehicle up to the front driveway area with a plan to take Nancy out to it.
<Snipped by me>

I am hundreds of posts behind, but I saw this and wanted to bring it forward because it's a new theory, and it makes great sense!

 

[Cloudydiamond]

Ok, here are my thoughts. The flashlight in his mouth thing. It could be a habit that someone will recognize that he does around the house, or if he's on another video doing it! Its a very unusual feature imo.

Ohhh, like this. True. He's use to doing that.

 

[whitelilac]

Ok, here are my thoughts. The flashlight in his mouth thing. It could be a habit that someone will recognize that he does around the house, or if he's on another video doing it! Its a very unusual feature imo.

A person yesterday posted that both that mouth flashlight and the gloves are habitually used by mechanics.
(Not that this perp is a mechanic)

 

[RatFace]

Boy they didn't try real hard, because that jacket is not right IMO. Cuffs totally different and would be obvious if it was this. Holster appeared to me to have a contrasting trim either in color or material by IR. Gloves didnt have the knit. Disappointing.

Ski mask is not right either. The perp's mask had lighter stitching around the eyes (and possibly mouth).

 

[SRWCF]

Not sure about the blue shirt.

The video is around the same time as NG's kidnapping, but it was 5 miles south. Impossible to go 5 miles in 5 minutes.

TMZ is reporting that the video of the guy dismantling NG's Nest camera took place at 2:12 a.m.

"The man in the new video is trying to enter a locked gate, to no avail. He was recorded on a resident's Ring camera at 1:52 AM. Now, when law enforcement held a news conference last week, they said Nancy's Nest camera disconnected at 1:47 AM ... and, at 2:12 AM, the camera software detected a person. The video the FBI released of the man approaching Nancy's door does not have a time stamp. Sources directly connected to the investigation tell TMZ ... that video of the man at Nancy's door was recorded at 2:12 AM -- in other words, he's the person the software detected."

New Video of Man with Similar Backpack Shot Just Before Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping

The man in this video -- recorded just 5 miles from Nancy Guthrie's home -- is on the FBI's radar -- TMZ has learned -- and the timing of the video is critical.

www.tmz.com

 

[birdbox]

When did TMZ become the ransom letter capital of the world?

 

[Chainspell]

When did TMZ become the ransom letter capital of the world?

When it became obvious they'll report on it.

 

[SRWCF]

But why the white tent though? I’ve usually only seen this in cases where they are trying to hide remains or protect from the elements (which doesn’t seem to be an issue today).

Maybe a recreation of the video to attempt to get height or other things they may have missed?

Maybe for privacy from the media?

 

[SlimPickens]

Walmart would make sense for criminals looking for disposable clothes that millions upon millions of people also purchase and wear. I'd bet that more people purchase Walmart clothes than any other brick and mortar store in the world. So if the goal is to saturate any suspect pool even more, he'd probably wear Walmart clothes as opposed to say, Lacoste.

Having said this, with all of the available options for truly generic clothes that have no logo and no obvious origin (and delivered right to your door), the fact that these items are likely from a Walmart suggests that the suspect/suspects visited an actual store to purchase the clothes and equipment. On the one hand that may be good for law enforcement if they can track those purchases to a single store within a bazillion Walmart stores (in Arizona alone), but it increases the odds in general for criminals to not get caught, particularly if they used cash.

JMO

 

[SUNchips]

You can literally see his bald head there is no mask. Both the video by TMZ and the ring footage showing another guy checking for unlocked cars are unmasked and not wearing gloves. Just opportunistic burglar imo. The guy on NG front porch was masked and probably double gloved meaning what crime he was about to commit was a lot more sinister and had some degree of preplanning

JMO

Totally agree. You can see the other, unrelated guy’s face/bald head and no gloves. That happened in a really bad area of Tucson too, with a high population of drug users. IMO it’s just a guy on drugs looking to steal something and is definitely not related to NG. MOO though.

 

[Izzylizzy]

When I look at this photo of the kidnapper, the shapped and thin eyebrows and the eyes make me wonder if this is a female? IMO

FBI images in Nancy Guthrie case suggest burglary gone wrong, crime experts say

Crime experts say FBI images of a masked, armed person at Nancy Guthrie’s home suggest a planned burglary that may have escalated into an abduction.

tucson.com

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Eyes look like possible mascara or could it be a woman's silicone mask under the knitted face mask ?
Why is the FBI so sure it's a male?

 

[lohrtabitha]

I dont see it. I think the mask just frames the eyes in a way that covers some of the eyebrows making them looked groomed. They could, in fact, be big and bushy.

I don't know but I think it is important to keep an open mind and to be able to ponder if this could really be a woman culprit. I'm sure the FBI with all the AI technology have a definite profile but they are keeping it under wraps. JMO

 

[SRWCF]

I think the shoes are different

And I thought that the guy in the new video looked significantly slimmer than the NG Nest camera guy. That being said, it could just be the angle and/or quality of the video.

 

[Lebowski]

When I look at this photo of the kidnapper, the shapped and thin eyebrows and the eyes make me wonder if this is a female? IMO

FBI images in Nancy Guthrie case suggest burglary gone wrong, crime experts say

Crime experts say FBI images of a masked, armed person at Nancy Guthrie’s home suggest a planned burglary that may have escalated into an abduction.

tucson.com

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i find it hard to say whether the dark lines we're seeing are eyebrows, as opposed to a seam or even a shadow. and if they are eyebrows, i don't think we can say how thin or thick they are, or how groomed. too dark and blurry to see how sharp the lower edge is, and the top edge is obscured.

 

[ab01]

When I look at this photo of the kidnapper, the shapped and thin eyebrows and the eyes make me wonder if this is a female? IMO

FBI images in Nancy Guthrie case suggest burglary gone wrong, crime experts say

Crime experts say FBI images of a masked, armed person at Nancy Guthrie’s home suggest a planned burglary that may have escalated into an abduction.

tucson.com

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And when I look at it I just keep seeing that it appears the upper part of the eyebrows are covered by the mask.

I'm surprised by how much conviction people have that these are thin eyebrows.

 

[birdbox]

A person yesterday posted that both that mouth flashlight and the gloves are habitually used by mechanics.
(Not that this perp is a mechanic)

Ah. Good info. Ive seen headlamps used by some and i have seen the light vosiors used by jewlers, but never a mouth light used like that.

 

[shadowsc]

But why the white tent though? I’ve usually only seen this in cases where they are trying to hide remains or protect from the elements (which doesn’t seem to be an issue today).

Maybe a recreation of the video to attempt to get height or other things they may have missed?

Probably things like that. They probably put up the tent since the media turns every development into content in real time. There just seems to be no adult in the building running a crime scene. (Or least not until a week later.) The sheriff's department sending out a social media post not to order pizza to the house? The pizza man just walking right up and no one notices? And this is a really big county! I heard on one of the news shows (no link but you can confirm the info) that Pima County is over 9,000 sq miles. That is HUGE. This is not some little town. I think they said one area from another can be 150 miles apart. That means that Pima County is larger in area than the states of New Jersey or New Hampshire, and is also larger than the states of Delaware, Connecticut, and Rhode Island combined.

They said that they can get a call on one issue and the nearest officer may be more than 30 minutes away. So on one hand, the county sheriff's department is covering a huge, massive area bigger than some states. Which explains why some things may have fallen through the cracks. On the other hand, they know how big they are, it's no surprise, so I would think you staff accordingly. That said, we have seen reports mentioned in this chat, with links, that they just don't have very experienced homicide detectives, that many have been on the job just a few years, and that a former official said they never once administered a polygraph test in his entire time there. Seems FBI should have been called in early, but also it kind of seems like they were. But even then, it seemed like they were only taking point on the ransom note aspect. The sheriff was still doing press conferences until last week Thursday, although by then, the FBI was also present at the conference. That first Tuesday, they were not at the press conference that I can tell.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Eyes look like possible mascara or could it be a woman's silicone mask under the knitted face mask ?
Why is the FBI so sure it's a male?
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Didn't think about the silicone mask. Good insight here Izzy.

 

[GlobeFireCandle]

Why would the perp leave his gloves or mask nearby, so odd if true