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In this recently released video, that robber seemed smart enough (!!) to bring TWO backpacks. Meaning he was actually planning to do a robbery and have room to stash his loot. Like us, going on vacation, and bringing an extra travel bag to bring home all our shopping! The Nancy suspect appears to have come with a fully loaded abduction kit backpack that didn't have room for any stolen goods. (Assuming that video capture was before he ever entered the home, which it appears to be.)
I ask again, could it be that the back pack(s) were brought to store their own evidence, like cameras they remove, etc..... Not necessarily for stolen goods
 
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Ok, here are my thoughts. The flashlight in his mouth thing. It could be a habit that someone will recognize that he does around the house, or if he's on another video doing it! Its a very unusual feature imo.
 
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No. The DM article just points out they are available at Walmart. Excerpt:

"To many observers, the entire outfit appears newly purchased. Generic. Budget. Cobbled together from big-box or online retailers in an effort to avoid standing out.

The Daily Mail found several of these items in a Walmart just miles from Guthrie's home.

Vecchi said that is consistent with offenders attempting stealth. They avoid wearing their own clothes. They buy disposable items. They assume anonymity lies in being ordinary.

But ordinary leaves a paper trail.

'No matter what it was, it's going to generate some sort of retail transaction, digital transaction, and distribution trail,' Vecchi said.

That is where the real grind begins. According to Leising, agents will first work to identify the precise make and model of every visible item – backpack, gloves, holster, jacket, weapon attachment.

Even seemingly bland products can often be narrowed down through stitching patterns, strap geometry, zipper pulls and the way fabric drapes on a body.

'Somebody knows that strap. Somebody knows that holster,' Leising said.

Once identified, investigators trace where those products are sold."

The importance of this, if this is true, is that Walmart can look across their entire network for anyone, anywhere, at any time, who bought those items at the same time. They may then be able to pull video from that transaction, and of course card data if the perp used one.
 
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Does both of these pictures look like the same person to you all? Apparenlty, Meghan Kelly was saying this onelooks like the person is wearing a different jacket, and that it's camo. It's too blurry for me to be sure of that. What do you all think?

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I think the shoes are different
 
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I’ve been thinking about porch lights too. In images fbi released we see lights behind masked man. Initially I saw folks comment maybe car lights. That’s frequently corrected to be porch lights from house across from Nancy. So, they could use porch lights?
I don't know if those are actually porch lights or not, but I do know from personal experience that infrared cameras show anything at all reflective as a very bright spot -- so bright that it looks for sure like it's lit up. In my case, I assumed they were indeed lights until a yard camera appeared to repeatedly show lights on at my home during the night when I knew they were not. I eventually figured out it was merely a reflective spot on the porch that the camera showed as a big bright spot looking for all the world like I had left my living room lights blazing. MOO
 
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No direct sources on why they think these items are the brand listed, but grabbed larger images for anyone that wants them.

They think the jacket is 2XU brand, the gun holster Uncle Mike's, the nitrite gloves Hyper Tough, and the backpack Ozark Trail. I know there's been some chatter about Ozark Trail. All four of the items I just listed appear to be sold at Walmart. They think the ski mask is Rothco, which they've found online.
Boy they didn't try real hard, because that jacket is not right IMO. Cuffs totally different and would be obvious if it was this. Holster appeared to me to have a contrasting trim either in color or material by IR. Gloves didnt have the knit. Disappointing.
 
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When I look at this photo of the kidnapper, the shapped and thin eyebrows and the eyes make me wonder if this is a female? IMO
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I dont see it. I think the mask just frames the eyes in a way that covers some of the eyebrows making them looked groomed. They could, in fact, be big and bushy.
 
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The zoom in provided useful information on a potential reason they were there. It appears they are carrying a cell phone and the phone showed agent had height app on phone. Photo of phone from Fox Digital. Not confirmed, but possible the mounting bracket for the ring camera was taken.
I agree it gives important information. Was a good catch by them.
Not sure why it struck me as funny. I’ve just been watching videos of yesterday with hordes of reporters following the investigators while they work.
Not a criticism of this particular reporting.
 
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<Snipped by me> Per Megyn Kelly there was blood going all the way down Nancy's walkway up to the driveway area and stops at the driveway area that extends across her front yard.

Early reports that we all were hearing was that the blood didn't go past the doorway nook.

There doesn't appear to be a vehicle parked there though in the door nest cam.

Maybe the purpose of disconnecting the door cam was to remove it because the perp(s) planned to bring their vehicle up to the driveway to bring Nancy out that way and they didn't want the camera to capture their vehicle.

An outsider, after disconnecting the door cam, could have brought their vehicle up to the front driveway area with a plan to take Nancy out to it.
<Snipped by me>
I am hundreds of posts behind, but I saw this and wanted to bring it forward because it's a new theory, and it makes great sense!
 
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Ok, here are my thoughts. The flashlight in his mouth thing. It could be a habit that someone will recognize that he does around the house, or if he's on another video doing it! Its a very unusual feature imo.
Ohhh, like this. True. He's use to doing that.
 
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Ok, here are my thoughts. The flashlight in his mouth thing. It could be a habit that someone will recognize that he does around the house, or if he's on another video doing it! Its a very unusual feature imo.
A person yesterday posted that both that mouth flashlight and the gloves are habitually used by mechanics.
(Not that this perp is a mechanic)
 
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Boy they didn't try real hard, because that jacket is not right IMO. Cuffs totally different and would be obvious if it was this. Holster appeared to me to have a contrasting trim either in color or material by IR. Gloves didnt have the knit. Disappointing.
Ski mask is not right either. The perp's mask had lighter stitching around the eyes (and possibly mouth).
 
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Not sure about the blue shirt.

The video is around the same time as NG's kidnapping, but it was 5 miles south. Impossible to go 5 miles in 5 minutes.
TMZ is reporting that the video of the guy dismantling NG's Nest camera took place at 2:12 a.m.

"The man in the new video is trying to enter a locked gate, to no avail. He was recorded on a resident's Ring camera at 1:52 AM. Now, when law enforcement held a news conference last week, they said Nancy's Nest camera disconnected at 1:47 AM ... and, at 2:12 AM, the camera software detected a person. The video the FBI released of the man approaching Nancy's door does not have a time stamp. Sources directly connected to the investigation tell TMZ ... that video of the man at Nancy's door was recorded at 2:12 AM -- in other words, he's the person the software detected."

 
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When did TMZ become the ransom letter capital of the world?
 
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But why the white tent though? I’ve usually only seen this in cases where they are trying to hide remains or protect from the elements (which doesn’t seem to be an issue today).

Maybe a recreation of the video to attempt to get height or other things they may have missed?
Maybe for privacy from the media?
 
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Walmart would make sense for criminals looking for disposable clothes that millions upon millions of people also purchase and wear. I'd bet that more people purchase Walmart clothes than any other brick and mortar store in the world. So if the goal is to saturate any suspect pool even more, he'd probably wear Walmart clothes as opposed to say, Lacoste.

Having said this, with all of the available options for truly generic clothes that have no logo and no obvious origin (and delivered right to your door), the fact that these items are likely from a Walmart suggests that the suspect/suspects visited an actual store to purchase the clothes and equipment. On the one hand that may be good for law enforcement if they can track those purchases to a single store within a bazillion Walmart stores (in Arizona alone), but it increases the odds in general for criminals to not get caught, particularly if they used cash.

JMO
 
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You can literally see his bald head there is no mask. Both the video by TMZ and the ring footage showing another guy checking for unlocked cars are unmasked and not wearing gloves. Just opportunistic burglar imo. The guy on NG front porch was masked and probably double gloved meaning what crime he was about to commit was a lot more sinister and had some degree of preplanning

JMO
Totally agree. You can see the other, unrelated guy’s face/bald head and no gloves. That happened in a really bad area of Tucson too, with a high population of drug users. IMO it’s just a guy on drugs looking to steal something and is definitely not related to NG. MOO though.
 
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