Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Izzylizzy]

When I look at this photo of the kidnapper, the shapped and thin eyebrows and the eyes make me wonder if this is a female? IMO

FBI images in Nancy Guthrie case suggest burglary gone wrong, crime experts say

Crime experts say FBI images of a masked, armed person at Nancy Guthrie’s home suggest a planned burglary that may have escalated into an abduction.

tucson.com

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Eyes look like possible mascara or could it be a woman's silicone mask under the knitted face mask ?
Why is the FBI so sure it's a male?

 

[lohrtabitha]

I dont see it. I think the mask just frames the eyes in a way that covers some of the eyebrows making them looked groomed. They could, in fact, be big and bushy.

I don't know but I think it is important to keep an open mind and to be able to ponder if this could really be a woman culprit. I'm sure the FBI with all the AI technology have a definite profile but they are keeping it under wraps. JMO

 

[SRWCF]

I think the shoes are different

And I thought that the guy in the new video looked significantly slimmer than the NG Nest camera guy. That being said, it could just be the angle and/or quality of the video.

 

[Lebowski]

When I look at this photo of the kidnapper, the shapped and thin eyebrows and the eyes make me wonder if this is a female? IMO

FBI images in Nancy Guthrie case suggest burglary gone wrong, crime experts say

Crime experts say FBI images of a masked, armed person at Nancy Guthrie’s home suggest a planned burglary that may have escalated into an abduction.

tucson.com

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i find it hard to say whether the dark lines we're seeing are eyebrows, as opposed to a seam or even a shadow. and if they are eyebrows, i don't think we can say how thin or thick they are, or how groomed. too dark and blurry to see how sharp the lower edge is, and the top edge is obscured.

 

[ab01]

When I look at this photo of the kidnapper, the shapped and thin eyebrows and the eyes make me wonder if this is a female? IMO

FBI images in Nancy Guthrie case suggest burglary gone wrong, crime experts say

Crime experts say FBI images of a masked, armed person at Nancy Guthrie’s home suggest a planned burglary that may have escalated into an abduction.

tucson.com

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And when I look at it I just keep seeing that it appears the upper part of the eyebrows are covered by the mask.

I'm surprised by how much conviction people have that these are thin eyebrows.

 

[birdbox]

A person yesterday posted that both that mouth flashlight and the gloves are habitually used by mechanics.
(Not that this perp is a mechanic)

Ah. Good info. Ive seen headlamps used by some and i have seen the light vosiors used by jewlers, but never a mouth light used like that.

 

[shadowsc]

But why the white tent though? I’ve usually only seen this in cases where they are trying to hide remains or protect from the elements (which doesn’t seem to be an issue today).

Maybe a recreation of the video to attempt to get height or other things they may have missed?

Probably things like that. They probably put up the tent since the media turns every development into content in real time. There just seems to be no adult in the building running a crime scene. (Or least not until a week later.) The sheriff's department sending out a social media post not to order pizza to the house? The pizza man just walking right up and no one notices? And this is a really big county! I heard on one of the news shows (no link but you can confirm the info) that Pima County is over 9,000 sq miles. That is HUGE. This is not some little town. I think they said one area from another can be 150 miles apart. That means that Pima County is larger in area than the states of New Jersey or New Hampshire, and is also larger than the states of Delaware, Connecticut, and Rhode Island combined.

They said that they can get a call on one issue and the nearest officer may be more than 30 minutes away. So on one hand, the county sheriff's department is covering a huge, massive area bigger than some states. Which explains why some things may have fallen through the cracks. On the other hand, they know how big they are, it's no surprise, so I would think you staff accordingly. That said, we have seen reports mentioned in this chat, with links, that they just don't have very experienced homicide detectives, that many have been on the job just a few years, and that a former official said they never once administered a polygraph test in his entire time there. Seems FBI should have been called in early, but also it kind of seems like they were. But even then, it seemed like they were only taking point on the ransom note aspect. The sheriff was still doing press conferences until last week Thursday, although by then, the FBI was also present at the conference. That first Tuesday, they were not at the press conference that I can tell.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Eyes look like possible mascara or could it be a woman's silicone mask under the knitted face mask ?
Why is the FBI so sure it's a male?
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Didn't think about the silicone mask. Good insight here Izzy.

 

[GlobeFireCandle]

Why would the perp leave his gloves or mask nearby, so odd if true

 

[missyh81]

I don’t doubt that the items can be, and probably were, bought at Walmart, but I wouldn’t put any creedence into what the DM has reported. The gloves they pictured are not the same as what was used, the jacket the perp was wearing was a fleece zip up with no hood. Not a windbreaker with elastic cuffs and a hood like the article pictured, and if it was an Ozark Trail backpack I’m almost certain you’d be able to see the logo in the photos and videos. The logo on my son’s backpack (which isn’t an OT, but has a similar screen printed logo on it) glows on our cameras at night with the IR lights.
You also cannot tell colors based on night vision cameras. My black shoes look white and some of my black yoga pants can’t even be seen which makes for some pretty funny videos, and makes me feel like I should apologize to all my neighbors for appearing to be half naked on their cameras at night.

 

[shonyakay]

i find it hard to say whether the dark lines we're seeing are eyebrows, as opposed to a seam or even a shadow. and if they are eyebrows, i don't think we can say how thin or thick they are, or how groomed. too dark and blurry to see how sharp the lower edge is, and the top edge is obscured.

Same. I think it is hard to tell i.e. eyebrows versus seam.

 

[SaraSmile]

Brian Entin interviewed a retired Sheriff’s Dept officer. He felt the case has been botched from the beginning and blamed the Sheriff’s huge ego. He said the Sheriff would not relinquish much of the investigation to the FBI; the Sheriff’s investigators have only been hired in the last few years and limited expertise; stated it was laughable that the Sheriff rushed out to Rio Rico to be out front if they made an arrest of the Door Dash guy - said Sheriff should remain in the office to coordinate the investigation, etc. Obviously the retired officer had nothing good to say about Sheriff Nanos.

JMO

Agreed, I think the retired officer also said that many people left because of ineptitude, (my memory only). So the best people didn’t want to work there…sounds pretty bad.
But, I do think, because of DNA collection, (just now doing it), that the perp will be matched with it. Maybe some defense motions to exclude because of sloppiness.

JMO

 

[Walela]

But why the white tent though? I’ve usually only seen this in cases where they are trying to hide remains or protect from the elements (which doesn’t seem to be an issue today).

Maybe a recreation of the video to attempt to get height or other things they may have missed?

Maybe they're hiding themselves from cameras while they work. Perhaps they're not taking any chance that the perps are watching and they don't want them to see the area(s) under scrutiny.
moo

 

[wibbleflea]

Question: In this video from the FBI, what's the guy doing with his left hand as he first reaches up with his right hand to block the camera?

Good points in your post.

I don’t say this with high confidence but it looks like he’s trying to lift the base of the camera with his left hand, to see if it’s securely mounted. Attempting to slide it upward. The wide-angle view makes his hand look further from the lens than it is. He realises the Nest camera is secure, then goes to pull up the foliage. (This decision still seems anomalous to me.)

Also, Nest footage would usually have audio, as others have pointed out. If it has been recovered, it has been withheld.

 

[Ur728]

TMZ is reporting that the video of the guy dismantling NG's Nest camera took place at 2:12 a.m.

"The man in the new video is trying to enter a locked gate, to no avail. He was recorded on a resident's Ring camera at 1:52 AM. Now, when law enforcement held a news conference last week, they said Nancy's Nest camera disconnected at 1:47 AM ... and, at 2:12 AM, the camera software detected a person. The video the FBI released of the man approaching Nancy's door does not have a time stamp. Sources directly connected to the investigation tell TMZ ... that video of the man at Nancy's door was recorded at 2:12 AM -- in other words, he's the person the software detected."

New Video of Man with Similar Backpack Shot Just Before Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping

The man in this video -- recorded just 5 miles from Nancy Guthrie's home -- is on the FBI's radar -- TMZ has learned -- and the timing of the video is critical.

www.tmz.com

Ah, ok, well, we will see, I guess. I still do not think it's the same person, JMO.

 

[VegasGirl35]

To me, the body and movements are distinctly male. The suspect has a square head, wider shoulders with straight hips. The ski mask lays tight against the skull, indicating short or close cropped hair. I also think he's possibly wearing a mask inside the ski mask, which is why so many are thrown off with the eyebrows. JMO.

 

[UsernameRequired]

Maybe for privacy from the media?

My guess is they are trying to recreate the suspects height to get body height information. Investigator had a height board with them.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021990157013201035

 

[Notthisshipsister]

LOL, yeah, he probably took a selfie before he headed off to his mission.

Maybe so. Brian Kohberger sure enjoyed taking some selfies, didn't he?

 

[Tortoise]

No direct sources on why they think these items are the brand listed, but grabbed larger images for anyone that wants them.

They think the jacket is 2XU brand, the gun holster Uncle Mike's, the nitrite gloves Hyper Tough, and the backpack Ozark Trail. I know there's been some chatter about Ozark Trail. All four of the items I just listed appear to be sold at Walmart. They think the ski mask is Rothco, which they've found online.

That's not the same jacket as that worn by the perp. The perp's jacket has contrast colour zip, narrow band contrast-colour non-ribbed cuffs, and appears to be made of a wool or fleece fabric, IMO.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2021285842044494279

 

[shadowsc]

I ask again, could it be that the back pack(s) were brought to store their own evidence, like cameras they remove, etc..... Not necessarily for stolen goods

That's assuming the newest video on TMZ with the blurred faces is tied to Nancy's kidnapping. In the videos released by the FBI the other day of the suspects, the backpack was already packed full. Assuming the video was captured as they walked up to the front door, it would suggest that the backpack was full of belongings meant to carry off the kidnapping. That they hadn't taken anything yet. If they had already stolen things, I can't imagine why they would come mess with the cameras after. Even if they were successful in taking or breaking it, they would have to assume video was already stored in a cloud, even if the hard physical device was destroyed. I think their goal was to stop it from capturing anything.

Going back to that Sheriff's timeline, when the camera simply detected motion, but they couldn't view it. Do we think that motion was the suspect, what they eventually recovered from the camera data?