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It seems pretty sloppy for a criminal to wear a mask, full covered suit, gloves, and then to leave a glove behind. It’s also, certainly possible, though.

Time will tell.
It takes a great deal of training to carry out a mission perfectly under stressful and time sensitive situations. Military, LE, Fire, etc., train constantly so it is routine for them. They go on automatic in an emergency or mission. Their gear and weapons are all designed for the job and used in the training process. But we can see that young amateur criminals have none of that and mistakes are going to be made.

Especially when events do not go as planned. The military and LE are trained for mishaps and the unexpected. But young amateurs may panic and do stupid things.
 
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Don't let them fool you.....there are FLOCK cameras all over town. Just google them if you don't know about them. Map and more info here: Deflock Tucson
I'm familiar with Flock cameras, but I am still curious about traffic cameras that don't record, as was stated in the Tweet.
 
  • #25,603
I doubt your psych ED friend saw patients rip out permanent pacemakers that are surgically implanted
I think NG was somehow incapacitated. Hit over the head? Maybe she even fell and hit her head trying to run away.
 
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I was very skeptical at first, but I'm starting to open up to the possibility that SG could have been the main target somehow:

The worst thing to ever happen to Savannah Guthrie, it seems, is the best thing to ever happen to her colleagues at NBC.

Whispers already abound among these morning show vipers — who may be seeding an outcome they'd welcome — that Savannah may never come back to the Today show. On-air talent is already taking meetings with execs, jockeying for Savannah's chair, to take over her position as star of the show.
And people thought our discussion topics were too cut throat, harsh or way out there.
 
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Has LE said that's the holster?
No, but experts have said it looks like a long barrel generic nylon pistol holster and that's a great example of one.

I always see these in the 5 dollar bin of gun stores collecting dust or yard sales and immediately noticed the mismatch. And I would not bet my life on a crappy holster like that with a semi in it. My kydex holsters custom fit the exact profile of my sidearm.

This holster detail, the $15 backpack, etc. Almost makes me think of what some edgy goofy teenager would whip together to cosplay a kidnapper.
 
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I was very skeptical at first, but I'm starting to open up to the possibility that SG could have been the main target somehow:

The worst thing to ever happen to Savannah Guthrie, it seems, is the best thing to ever happen to her colleagues at NBC.

Whispers already abound among these morning show vipers — who may be seeding an outcome they'd welcome — that Savannah may never come back to the Today show. On-air talent is already taking meetings with execs, jockeying for Savannah's chair, to take over her position as star of the show.
posted by WS commenter earlier today "in the UK, we call them the 'Daily Fail' ....... (like our Enquirer in the US)
 
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dbm
 
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I respect your knowledge, but I believe this is a case of the news mixing up stories. If I search on "NBC News: The man seen in the video below has been cleared of being involved in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie by investigators, according to two officials who have been briefed on the matter" it brings up the man detained after stopped in Rio Rico. MOO
 
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I'm familiar with Flock cameras, but I am still curious about traffic cameras that don't record, as was stated in the Tweet.
There are a *few* that don't record - mostly for checking live traffic conditions. They are not the norm/majority.
 
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Using the garage instead of going anywhere near the front door suggests that someone didnt want to appear on the front door camera. Also the short time between opening and closing doesn't leave much time for a woman like NG, described as being invariably of low mobility to go inside or be brought inside before the individual who dropped her off would presumably drive away.

It can't be denied that if she had been brought home and walked to her front door it would have helped clear AG and SIL. But because that didnt happen we have to continue to ask why.
I would imagine the why is because there were no steps there as opposed to the ones leading to the front door.
 
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From CBS: "Gloves found at Guthrie's house are being sent out for testing, the Pima County Sheriff's Department said in a statement this afternoon. The department said "several items of evidence" were found at the residence, but provided no details beyond the gloves. The news comes after multiple reports that a nylon glove was found at the home."

Source:
Thanks so much ChicagoSleuth!

So I wonder if this was miscommunication about the gloves found NEAR her home, or if they have in fact found a glove AT Nancy's home?

Normally I'd think would the offender really be that silly to leave behind such a risky piece of evidence, but then look at Kohberger.

I guess there's hope if they did remove a glove at Nancy's home that there could be fingerprints somewhere too
 
  • #25,615
Gloves reported found at the home? Not inside right?
 
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No, but experts have said it looks like a long barrel generic nylon pistol holster and that's a great example of one.

I always see these in the 5 dollar bin of gun stores collecting dust or yard sales and immediately noticed the mismatch. And I would not bet my life on a crappy holster like that with a semi in it. My kydex holsters custom fit the exact profile of my sidearm.

This holster detail, the $15 backpack, etc. Almost makes me think of what some edgy goofy teenager would whip together to cosplay a kidnapper.
Just protecting the thread
 
  • #25,618
I'm shocked the suspect left a glove INSIDE the home! That's pretty stupid.
I don't think the person is super smart based on how he chose to use flowers and his fist to cover a camera.
 
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I have a friend who works psych ED and she has had two patients tear their pacemaker out. She said it wasn’t as bloody as she expected, but it’s still a mess. One guy walked up and handed it to her. I don’t think that’s what happened to NG, but it’s not impossible.
Oh come on please! Have some respect.Ghoulish even to entertain that
 

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