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I think they probably dropped it with something. The other thought, which I don’t like, is that it was drops from a body transport. I just don’t know because it’s hard to believe blood wouldn’t be found in other areas of the home but we may just not know if there is blood elsewhere.
I keep wondering, heaven forbid, if someone dropped her at the front entrance. As in they were carrying her and dropped her maybe on her head. And that could have caused the blood on the porch. Just a thought and not crazier than anything else.
 
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I know some people find it hard to reconcile someone who’s fairly smart with tech being the same awkward, haphazard person we see in the doorbell video, but we all know people who are “book smart” or clever tech geeks yet lack common sense, or people who are smart and have common sense but have poor physical motor skills or practical prowess, or any combination of those traits. I’d wager that if Elon Musk or Bill Gates was in the position of the perp at the door, they’d be just as bumbling and clumsy.

JMO
Yes, that's what I think the suspect might be like: someone who has the smarts to have planned this out fairly meticulously, but hasn't actually done it before so they lack the experience to anticipate everything that might come up. But at the same time really confident in their ability to carry this out.
 
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Landscaper?

Also, it appears that the Sheriff has decided to respond to the lab dust-up. He essentially said it was b.s. but it sounded like the glove/s were the ones found quite a distance from the house-were any gloves in the house sent for testing? Game of
The lab situation is related to a glove that was found inside the house.

For more clarity, as of 11 p.m. last night there's been a total of 4 gloves mentioned:

**Single glove found inside house that we are just finding out about, was sent to Fla. lab.

**Single glove found 1.5 miles down the road on the side of the road.

**A pair of gloves found outside but on NG's property (is this correct?) or nearby within the neighborhood?
 
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Yes, that's what I think the suspect might be like: someone who has the smarts to have planned this out fairly meticulously, but hasn't actually done it before so they lack the experience to anticipate everything that might come up. But at the same time really confident in their ability to carry this out.
Similar to Bryan Kohburger, maybe.
 
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By "down the road", they mean 6.6 miles. And he didn't break in. He was on their porch but I don't see that he attempted to enter their home.
Was the location of porch guy 6.6 miles down the road close to the location of the video of double backpack guy? Anyone know?
 
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I have never felt this was a kidnapping, this was either a burglary that turned to murder, or an intentional attack/murder, the video shows just how ridiculous the kidnapping theory is, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was opportunistic.

Video man IMO may never have intended to take away his victim, why was he carrying an extremely heavy, bulky backpack to then add on removing a victim, and taking victim to his car.

He had to have known the area as from maps it is not easy to navigate and it was nighttime so he has some familiarity to the area where NG lives, but I am on fence as to whether he knew who lived there.
 
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I keep wondering, heaven forbid, if someone dropped her at the front entrance. As in they were carrying her and dropped her maybe on her head. And that could have caused the blood on the porch. Just a thought and not crazier than anything else.
Highly speculative on my part but I thought initially it looked like something that happened if she tripped or bumped herself when she was say walking out/being hurried out. It's late, a person is scared, old, have some ambulatory issues, and are on blood thinners so bleed easily, I think tripping is a very reasonable reaction to being tired, frightened and not the most agile on their feet anymore, and would explain the blood. Heck I definitely see myself having coordination issues/tripping in that scenario and I don't need a cane.
 
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DBM
 
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ETA: Correction Nancy's home is in the Catalina Foothills. I was not sure.

If Nancy's home is in the area I'm thinking of, the Pima County Sheriff's Dept is only about 12 miles away. The area has homes that start at the base of the Mountain (Dove Mtn) and work their way up with lots getting larger and houses set further apart than a "subdivision". They have a beautiful golf course, and a Ritz Carlton close by. This home seems to be up in the more secluded area further up the mountain. Stunningly beautiful area and typically low crime rate.

Just my observation.
 
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Would LE know exactly how those nest cameras were disconnected?

From what I read you disconnect them from an app on your phone.
Is there any other way you can disconnect them?

If a stranger disconnected them from Nancy's phone then she would probably have had to participate in doing that either that or someone close to her would be able to access her phone to do that.
 
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Aside from the series SG did on her life in Tucson and NG being featured in it a few months ago, it stands to reason that NG would also have been a suggested search on google related to SG. Curious people clicking around to look up more info, etc - it could be totally unrelated to the case and benign.
BBM. Somehow I missed that detail. The proximity of the release of that series and this crime can't be coincidental. Do we know if this only aired in the Tucson area?

Amateur opinion and speculation only
 
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This is interesting because I noticed on news reporting that I kept seeing 1 guy walking by the house and reporters and LE. I assumed was a neighbor but I saw him a few times and took note.
I forgot to mention his facial hair also looks to match the masked man images!
 
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Some of the blood to me looks like it was aspirated, ie she coughed or sneezed and it spayed in fine drops, which to me says she has an injury to her nose or mouth and the blood aspirated out as some of the blood had either gone down into her throat from a nose bleed or she had swallowed some blood from a mouth injury, plus she may have been on blood thinners so this would have exacerbated any blood loss
 
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If Nancy's home is in the area I'm thinking of, the Pima County Sheriff's Dept is only about 12 miles away. The area has homes that start at the base of the Mountain (Dove Mtn) and work their way up with lots getting larger and houses set further apart than a "subdivision". They have a beautiful golf course, and a Ritz Carlton close by. This home seems to be up in the more secluded area further up the mountain. Stunningly beautiful area and typically low crime rate.

Just my observation.
Yeah I would be surprised if there are many home invasion robberies etc in that area. Which lends more credence that this was likely a targeted crime imo
 
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Would LE know exactly how those nest cameras were disconnected?

From what I read you disconnect them from an app on your phone.
Is there any other way you can disconnect them?

If a stranger disconnected them from Nancy's phone then she would probably have had to participate in doing that either that or someone close to her would be able to access her phone to do that.
Cutting the wifi would disconnect the camera too, for another possibility.

JMO
 
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Per article this am on foxnews.com
Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos is rejecting allegations that he is withholding evidence from the FBI in the Nancy Guthrie Case.

Nanos told KVOA that the allegations are “not even close to the truth.”

A federal law enforcement source previously told Fox News Digital that Nanos was restricting the FBI from obtaining key evidence in the 84-year-old's disappearance. The evidence requested by the FBI includes a glove and DNA found inside Nancy Guthrie’s Tucson, Arizona, home, according to information first reported by Reuters.

Federal officials have asked Nanos for the items so they could be processed at the FBI's national crime laboratory in Quantico, Virginia. However, Nanos has insisted on sending the evidence for testing at a private lab in Florida, according to the source.

Nanos told KVOA that the private lab in Florida has been working with the sheriff’s department for years and is analyzing DNA profiles from the crime scene. He added that there were discussions with the FBI on Thursday morning about possibly sending gloves to the FBI’s lab, the station said.

"Actually the FBI just wanted to send the one or two they found by the crime scene, closest to it – mile, mile and a half . . . I said 'No, why do that? Let’s just send them all to where all the DNA exist, all the profiles and the markers exist.' They agreed, makes sense,” Nanos told KVOA.
Why would he use an independent lab and have to pay out of the county budget and if there is a trial the expenses of lab tech having to testify?

He’s on a power trip and wants control. A danger to the community. Moo
 

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