• #28,481
What with the new car (because that looked like a temp plate to me), makes me wonder if they didn't buy the car using NGs credit. Not credit card,, but credit score. Made a fake DL with her name, etc. And if someone got wind of that and reported it to Adult Protective Services, that might explain the card from APS in her door. Like she didn't know someone had stolen her identity and APS was trying to tell her about it. That is a little out there, but it does make me wonder. Just a thought.
 
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  • #28,482
Trying hard to catch up on the last few hours by speed watching Fox10 Phoenix’s feed. From this, I gather:

  • at 20:30 the sheriff’s office told media to go to a staging area to a press briefing but by 23:00 they were told they’d only be getting a written statement, and sources said that they were waiting for FBI approval of a statement
  • Fox News reported two men and one of their mom’s were detained not arrested in connection to a search warrant, and reminded that while a search warrant is executed, it’s typical for residents to be detained for the duration
  • The Range Rover has a yellow piece of paper (looks like from a legal pad) covering the license plate, under an MG Motors plastic license plate frame. No front license plate.
  • Looks like the FBI is collecting the evidence (vs. sheriff)
  • The way they’re talking about the three people detained, it seems like they’re saying they were all at the home where the warrant was being executed. There is, obviously, a vehicle (the Range Rover), and I’m aware of a guy with white pant legs who was obviously being detained in some way, so maybe that’s a source of confusion on the numbers? Possibly one of them (I’d guess the mother) wasn’t a target and was only detained for warrant execution?
  • At 23:40 they show sheriff’s vehicles pulling out of their parking spots and pulling back in closer to the Range Rover
  • At 23:53 they share the Sheriffs statement, which they apparently learned from twitter.
  • At 23:53 LE put a yellow sheet up on the right rear of the Range Rover, covering as they opened the trunk. Fox 11 isn’t sure how they accessed the car, but a few minutes earlier the lights were flashing so I believe LE has the key fob
  • At 23:55 they put up a sheet on the left rear side. It was uncovered for 2 minutes while the trunk was open
  • At 23:57 they close the trunk and fold up the sheets
  • At 00:00 Fox 11 believes LE is wrapping up in the Culver’s parking lot
  • 00:09 the FBI tech is wiping then applying something to the seams of the car. I’m guessing he’s essentially “sealing” the doors
  • 00:34 a tow truck pulls into the lot
  • Camera zooms back in on the paper over the license plate. Looking at how wet that paper is now, I doubt it has been on there for very long. Driving with that in any sort of rain, it would disintegrate
  • FBI takes pictures of the side of the vehicle up on the truck bed
  • 00:53 tow truck drives away with the Range Rover and the LE vehicles all leave
  • And with that, I’m back to present time

Sorry to those for who this is redundant info, but hopefully this helps others catch up. Still don’t know much about the warrant and residence though…
Caught up on all that in the last few minutes myself, can imagine this is more likely connected to the ransom scams said to originate in the Tucson area, have a feeling that if they believed this was related to what actually happened to NG they would have had techs swarming the home all day today.
 
  • #28,483
I was wondering if they could just be ransom scammers too, but there were at least 15-20 law enforcement vehicles at that home earlier. Would that many show up if they were just ransom scammers? IMO that heavy of a presence suggests they found some proof Nancy had been there... all just speculation though.
 
  • #28,484
So, the license plate was covered with a piece of paper by LE, but you can see that it's a temporary paper license plate underneath.

Who are these perps?

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Just a thought — wonder if it was stolen and they don’t want people looking up the # and putting innocent, totally unrelated people’s names out there as the suspects

Or I suppose they could want to control identities being put out there even if the number actually is registered to the real suspects

moo
 
  • #28,485
Maybe NG knew these people somehow and discovered something illegal or illicit they were doing and threatened to report them or even just found out about it somehow and she knew their secret kinda thing.

It could even be a white collar type crime.
 
  • #28,486
I was wondering if they could just be ransom scammers too, but there were at least 15-20 law enforcement vehicles at that home earlier. Would that many show up if they were just ransom scammers? IMO that heavy of a presence suggests they found some proof Nancy had been there... all just speculation though.
But then why tbe Medical Examiner?
 
  • #28,487
Trying hard to catch up on the last few hours by speed watching Fox10 Phoenix’s feed:

  • At 23:53 LE put a yellow sheet up on the right rear of the Range Rover, covering as they opened the trunk. Fox 11 isn’t sure how they accessed the car, but a few minutes earlier the lights were flashing so I believe LE has the key fob
  • At 23:55 they put up a sheet on the left rear side. It was uncovered for 2 minutes while the trunk was open
  • At 23:57 they close the trunk and fold up the sheets
Snipping and quoting myself for emphasis.

They had the sheets up and trunk open for four minutes. They had it covered on only one side for two minutes. The FBI guy spent longer photographing the license plate. I very much doubt there was a body or a suicide or anything immediately visible in that trunk of particular interest.
 
  • #28,488
8am here in the UK and I’ve just caught up. I really hope they’re on the right track with all of this activity and we’re getting closer to finding Nancy! Thoughts are with the family
 
  • #28,489
Just a thought — wonder if it was stolen and they don’t want people looking up the # and putting innocent, totally unrelated people’s names out there as the suspects

Or I suppose they could want to control identities being put out there even if the number actually is registered to the real suspects

moo
It was a temporary plate. I guess there is a way to sleuth temporary plates? 🤷‍♀️
 
  • #28,490
I was wondering if they could just be ransom scammers too, but there were at least 15-20 law enforcement vehicles at that home earlier. Would that many show up if they were just ransom scammers? IMO that heavy of a presence suggests they found some proof Nancy had been there... all just speculation though.
They had a similar response to Carlos the other day before releasing him, I figure that this is perhaps they believe these are the individuals with 'local knowledge' that were trying to extort bitcoin with a fake ransom demand. Will have to see does LE actually charge anyone before the day is out.
 
  • #28,491
At this stage we don’t really know. There are various reports and we’re all confused.
Thank you. Understood. That helps to know that others find it confusing. Hope we wake up to something that helps the family.
 
  • #28,492
Snipping and quoting myself for emphasis.

They had the sheets up and trunk open for four minutes. They had it covered on only one side for two minutes. The FBI guy spent longer photographing the license plate. I very much doubt there was a body or a suicide or anything immediately visible in that trunk of particular interest.
It looks like they covering up some type of evidence. At the end, I noticed there were quite a few onlookers in the parking lot, so maybe it was to keep them from snooping. Sure as heck couldn't see in the back from live stream.
 
  • #28,493
Trying hard to catch up on the last few hours by speed watching Fox10 Phoenix’s feed. From this, I gather:

  • at 20:30 the sheriff’s office told media to go to a staging area to a press briefing but by 23:00 they were told they’d only be getting a written statement, and sources said that they were waiting for FBI approval of a statement
  • Fox News reported two men and one of their mom’s were detained not arrested in connection to a search warrant, and reminded that while a search warrant is executed, it’s typical for residents to be detained for the duration
  • The Range Rover has a yellow piece of paper (looks like from a legal pad) covering the license plate, under an MG Motors plastic license plate frame. No front license plate.
  • Looks like the FBI is collecting the evidence (vs. sheriff)
  • The way they’re talking about the three people detained, it seems like they’re saying they were all at the home where the warrant was being executed. There is, obviously, a vehicle (the Range Rover), and I’m aware of a guy with white pant legs who was obviously being detained in some way, so maybe that’s a source of confusion on the numbers? Possibly one of them (I’d guess the mother) wasn’t a target and was only detained for warrant execution?
  • At 23:40 they show sheriff’s vehicles pulling out of their parking spots and pulling back in closer to the Range Rover
  • At 23:53 they share the Sheriffs statement, which they apparently learned from twitter.
  • At 23:53 LE put a yellow sheet up on the right rear of the Range Rover, covering as they opened the trunk. Fox 11 isn’t sure how they accessed the car, but a few minutes earlier the lights were flashing so I believe LE has the key fob
  • At 23:55 they put up a sheet on the left rear side. It was uncovered for 2 minutes while the trunk was open
  • At 23:57 they close the trunk and fold up the sheets
  • At 00:00 Fox 11 believes LE is wrapping up in the Culver’s parking lot
  • 00:09 the FBI tech is wiping then applying something to the seams of the car. I’m guessing he’s essentially “sealing” the doors
  • 00:34 a tow truck pulls into the lot
  • Camera zooms back in on the paper over the license plate. Looking at how wet that paper is now, I doubt it has been on there for very long. Driving with that in any sort of rain, it would disintegrate
  • FBI takes pictures of the side of the vehicle up on the truck bed
  • 00:53 tow truck drives away with the Range Rover and the LE vehicles all leave
  • And with that, I’m back to present time

Sorry to those for who this is redundant info, but hopefully this helps others catch up. Still don’t know much about the warrant and residence though…
What happened to the guy who was being questioned re the RR? Did they let him go? It appeared in some of the films that he was dressed in a white hoodie and was trying to hide from the camera.
 
  • #28,494
Snipping and quoting myself for emphasis.

They had the sheets up and trunk open for four minutes. They had it covered on only one side for two minutes. The FBI guy spent longer photographing the license plate. I very much doubt there was a body or a suicide or anything immediately visible in that trunk of particular interest.
DBM due to being unable to find a supporting link from Fox 10 Live
 
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Trying hard to catch up on the last few hours by speed watching Fox10 Phoenix’s feed. From this, I gather:

  • at 20:30 the sheriff’s office told media to go to a staging area to a press briefing but by 23:00 they were told they’d only be getting a written statement, and sources said that they were waiting for FBI approval of a statement
  • Fox News reported two men and one of their mom’s were detained not arrested in connection to a search warrant, and reminded that while a search warrant is executed, it’s typical for residents to be detained for the duration
  • The Range Rover has a yellow piece of paper (looks like from a legal pad) covering the license plate, under an MG Motors plastic license plate frame. No front license plate.
  • Looks like the FBI is collecting the evidence (vs. sheriff)
  • The way they’re talking about the three people detained, it seems like they’re saying they were all at the home where the warrant was being executed. There is, obviously, a vehicle (the Range Rover), and I’m aware of a guy with white pant legs who was obviously being detained in some way, so maybe that’s a source of confusion on the numbers? Possibly one of them (I’d guess the mother) wasn’t a target and was only detained for warrant execution?
  • At 23:40 they show sheriff’s vehicles pulling out of their parking spots and pulling back in closer to the Range Rover
  • At 23:53 they share the Sheriffs statement, which they apparently learned from twitter.
  • At 23:53 LE put a yellow sheet up on the right rear of the Range Rover, covering as they opened the trunk. Fox 11 isn’t sure how they accessed the car, but a few minutes earlier the lights were flashing so I believe LE has the key fob
  • At 23:55 they put up a sheet on the left rear side. It was uncovered for 2 minutes while the trunk was open
  • At 23:57 they close the trunk and fold up the sheets
  • At 00:00 Fox 11 believes LE is wrapping up in the Culver’s parking lot
  • 00:09 the FBI tech is wiping then applying something to the seams of the car. I’m guessing he’s essentially “sealing” the doors
  • 00:34 a tow truck pulls into the lot
  • Camera zooms back in on the paper over the license plate. Looking at how wet that paper is now, I doubt it has been on there for very long. Driving with that in any sort of rain, it would disintegrate
  • FBI takes pictures of the side of the vehicle up on the truck bed
  • 00:53 tow truck drives away with the Range Rover and the LE vehicles all leave
  • And with that, I’m back to present time

Sorry to those for who this is redundant info, but hopefully this helps others catch up. Still don’t know much about the warrant and residence though…
Thank you for putting that together and sharing! It does very much help to have these details compiled in one place, as a reference for the past few hours.
 
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  • #28,497
What with the new car (because that looked like a temp plate to me), makes me wonder if they didn't buy the car using NGs credit. Not credit card,, but credit score. Made a fake DL with her name, etc. And if someone got wind of that and reported it to Adult Protective Services, that might explain the card from ADS in her door. Like she didn't know someone had stolen her identity and APS was trying to tell her about it. That is a little out there, but it does make me wonder. Just a thought.
Not “just a thought”. This is a very precise and unique angle from which to view this case.
 
  • #28,498
When i went to sleep last night (UK) the talk was all of DE, and something happening near his house. Has that been totally dropped now?
 
  • #28,499
But then why tbe Medical Examiner?
There is no evidence the medical examiner was there. There was a forensic van.
 
  • #28,500
When i went to sleep last night (UK) the talk was all of DE, and something happening near his house. Has that been totally dropped now?
I think so. I suspect LE leaked a fake staging location to get the media out of their hair and it just so happened to be in the area where D.E. lived. The only one who had the real location was Brian Entin.
 

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