• #29,701
I wonder when we can expect lab results from last night’s raid…
Probably soon since it appears most if not all reporters have signed off for the night
 
  • #29,702
I wonder when we can expect lab results from last night’s raid…
If the rest of the investigation is anything to go by, then, to paraphrase a certain someone, it could be days, could be months, could be years..
 
  • #29,703
Four hours ago:

Investigators say:
  • they are leaning away from looking into the man whose home was searched overnight as a suspect,
  • away from a man named Carlos, who was stopped in a car earlier this week,
  • and away from any relatives of Guthrie as suspects, the sources said.
 
  • #29,704
It's possible they only have a make and model, and anything dodgy/unverifiable about a vehicle like that would trigger a police operation.

If used in the crime, perps may have gone to great lengths to conceal themselves.

I’m referring to the Range Rover towed from the Culver’s parking lot or the Range Rover on the sales lot, if ownership changed within the past few days. True though, who owns the vehicle isn’t necessarily the driver. Regardless we don’t know if it was the vehicle or the registered owner who LE was interested in pursuing.

“Officials have not publicly said who owns the SUV or why it was taken, including whether or not the activity is linked to the search for 84-year-old Guthrie, the mother of Today show host Savannah Guthrie.”
 
  • #29,705
Four hours ago:

Investigators say:
  • they are leaning away from looking into the man whose home was searched overnight as a suspect,
  • away from a man named Carlos, who was stopped in a car earlier this week,
  • and away from any relatives of Guthrie as suspects, the sources said.
I hope they are leaning toward something then. Not an encouraging statement.
 
  • #29,706
Four hours ago:

Investigators say:
  • they are leaning away from looking into the man whose home was searched overnight as a suspect,
  • away from a man named Carlos, who was stopped in a car earlier this week,
  • and away from any relatives of Guthrie as suspects, the sources said.
This makes me worried. I hope there are some solid leads from submitted tips to be followed. MOO
 
  • #29,707
I hope they are leaning toward something then. Not an encouraging statement.
From the ‘article’: continue to focus on other leads and new additional leads
 
  • #29,708
Four hours ago:

Investigators say:
  • they are leaning away from looking into the man whose home was searched overnight as a suspect,
  • away from a man named Carlos, who was stopped in a car earlier this week,
  • and away from any relatives of Guthrie as suspects, the sources said.
I think this makes the most sense to me
 
  • #29,709
I had been wondering if the pacemaker could still be transmitting a signal. I'm fairly certain the hospice facility or the funeral home disabled my mom's when she passed away. I'm holding on to hope for Nancy!
Just my opinion from personal experience
 
  • #29,710
Why didn’t she have a life alert device?
I have a family member who is elderly, disabled, and walks with a cane. She lives alone, and even after falling and not being able to get back up unassisted, and spending many hours on the floor trying to get to where she left her phone (the police needed to break down the door to get to her), insists that she's not "that old" and doesn't need a life alert device

I think another reason why the older ones insist that they don't need the medical life alert device is the cost.

There's the cost of purchasing the medical alert device and then there is the monthly monitoring service fee for the device.

And the same thing with a home security system such as ADT. There's the installation cost and the monthly monitoring service fee for the home security system.

Believe me, the older ones are frugal when it comes to money. If they feel they don't need something, they certainty won't spend their money on it.
 
  • #29,711
Maybe something on a tether where applicable? IDK
I believe the “sniffer” is a boosted Bluetooth receiver for NG’s specific encrypted pacemaker. I really hope this finds her alive. Hope always!
 
  • #29,712
I believe the “sniffer” is a boosted Bluetooth receiver for NG’s specific encrypted pacemaker. I really hope this finds her alive.
Would that only work in an open environment or would that work if say she was in a housed/enclosed residence? Forgive my ignorance. TIA. MOO
 
  • #29,713
I’m referring to the Range Rover towed from the Culver’s parking lot or the Range Rover on the sales lot, if ownership changed within the past few days. True though, who owns the vehicle isn’t necessarily the driver. Regardless we don’t know if it was the vehicle or the registered owner who LE was interested in pursuing.

“Officials have not publicly said who owns the SUV or why it was taken, including whether or not the activity is linked to the search for 84-year-old Guthrie, the mother of Today show host Savannah Guthrie.”
It's clear as mud.

However, I do believe police will have been combing footage from doorbell/surveillance cameras, looking closely at the route of any vehicle driving into or out of that part of the city that night.

Unlike other cases, in a kidnapping they want especially to track where any vehicle seen near NG's home went, since it would have taken Nancy there.

The fact they've seized the RR vehicle indicates to me they believe it might be associated with the crime, just not by that driver.

JMO
 
  • #29,714
So we have now gone from two nights of FBI raids to maybe we'll find Nancy in a few hours or maybe it will be several years.

“Maybe it’s an hour from now,” Nanos told The New York Times Friday. “Maybe it’s weeks or months or years from now. But we won’t quit. We’re going to find Nancy. We’re going to find this guy.”

It's truly disheartening to think it may be years before Nancy Guthrie is found. Sheriff Nanos shouldn't sound so resigned already. While it's realistic to acknowledge she may not be alive, his public statements should prioritize hope and determination. I wish he'd been more reassuring to the family and the public that every effort will continue until she's brought back home. MOO
 
  • #29,715
Would that only work in an open environment or would that work if say she was in a housed/enclosed residence? Forgive my ignorance. TIA. MOO
No worries. There are no insignificant questions at least for me. The “sniffer” (I think) would replicate her own monitoring device. (I.e. IPhone, IWatch). NG’s pacemaker has its own encrypted language to feed info to whatever monitoring device she used, maybe both a watch and phone. If it that encrypted language could be replicated, cloned it could …“sniff”, perhaps with a boosted Bluetooth passed along in LE or FBI phones could find her. Alive or otherwise, because a pacemaker’s battery lasts 7 yrs average and continues until the pacemaker battery dies or is surgically removed. Hope this is helpful to you, others and LE.
 
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  • #29,716
Forgive me if this video was already shared but I highlighted some things that are interesting.

In this interview Sheriff Nanos says they contacted the FBI at 8 or 9 in the morning (I'm assuming Monday morning) when they got done processing the scene.
They asked the FBI for some help with digital evidence.
They gave that evidence to the FBI and sent the rest of the evidence to a lab they have used for 30 to 40 years now.

In regards to the door nest cam footage;
He said, "I think we had them for about two hours and we submitted them to the media."

The gloves found were two miles away from Nancy's home.
The FBI asked him if they should send it to their lab Nanos said No let's send it where all of the other evidence is at so it would all be in one place.

About the claim a glove was found in the house - "Never was found a glove in that house."

About a white "truck" being seen in the area...
"Somebody is working, probably on a lead that came in. Oh, hey, this white truck was sitting in the area."
He said that is not the only vehicle they have been told about in the area that looked suspicious.
Btw, this is the first I have heard about a white truck. We have heard about neighbors seeing a white van.

About CP;
"There's a lot of things there that we looked at
So it's not just, oh, here's a delivery. Here's somebody driving in the area. There's a lot more to that and that, that built up for us, enough probable cause in our eyes and the judge's to say, I think we need a search warrant."
"We believe he was a delivery man he was in the area for a reason. That doesn't mean he is completely eliminated. What if, and the search warrant we're processing comes back and says Nancy's DNA was found in his home?" He reiterates that is not the case he is just explaining why they don't completely eliminate.

The specific date for January 11th footage was requested for a reason. He said he didn't know what the reason was but, "I know that they have a valid reason for that date."
He says they then expanded it when asking people for footage they may have.

He made it sound like LE wasn't really interested in the January 23rd ring cam of the man at the door.

 
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  • #29,717
I think another reason why the older ones insist that they don't need the medical life alert device is the cost.

There's the cost of purchasing the medical alert device and then there is the monthly monitoring service fee for the device.

And the same thing with a home security system such as ADT. There's the installation cost and the monthly monitoring service fee for the home security system.

Believe me, the older ones are frugal when it comes to money. If they feel they don't need something, they certainty won't spend their money on it.

True, and a part of aging consists of denial as well. Older folks tend to have a difficult time reconciling their related functional limitations. It's a pretty natural phenomenon. Same goes for surrendering driver's license, etc. We all experience denial and limitations gradually as we age, but when we get 'really old' our mind/will and physical body often do not align very well.

JMO.
 
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  • #29,718
Logically, does anyone really think that card was there before she disappeared? If so, we need a picture with a timestamp to prove it I believe. My opinion was, not accurate. The picture I have seen does not show it on first day.

She's fiercely independent and when a delivery person threatened her landlady with calling Adult Protective Services (for another unrelated reason), my relative looked into it and said that as long as she's in her right mind, she can live as she likes. In her state, that is apparently true.

I was referring to the card on Nancy Guthrie's door.


(In my state the officers or if she was transported medical staff would be the reporters, since she was a vulnerable elderly living by herself, to check on her.)

All imo

Do we have the initials of the person of interest who owns the RR?
We wouldn’t be allowed to discuss if we did. :)
 
  • #29,719
Been there…!
Same here with my mom as well as my mother-in-law. Absolute refusal from both.

I used to walk with a woman at our gym who is now 82 or 83. She insisted she didn't need a Life Alert necklace because her Apple watch would act the same as a Life Alert. I feel like reaching up in a moment of stress and pushing that button would be a lot quicker than relying on an iPhone or an Apple watch. From what I recall, NG's watch was off her arm.

I think this situation with NG has convinced me that when the time is right, I will wear one under my shirt/blouse. No one needs to know it's there.
 
  • #29,720
No worries. There are no insignificant questions at least for me. The “sniffer” (I think) would replicate her own monitoring device. (I.e. IPhone, IWatch). NG’s pacemaker has its own encrypted language to feed info to whatever monitoring device she used, maybe both a watch and phone. If it that encrypted language could be replicated or “sniffed”, perhaps with a boosted Bluetooth passed along in LE or FBI phones could find her. Alive or otherwise, because a pacemaker’s battery lasts 7 yrs average and continues until it dies or is surgically removed. Hope this is helpful to you, others and LE.

It has no GPS, of no use in locating a person.

That was stated & explained by LE in the last week.
 

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