• #29,921
Good morning,
I keep asking myself why was Nancy removed from her home? Why not just leave her there? Was it because she could identify the suspect(s)? This is what I think, but trying to understand what would be other reasons.
 
  • #29,922
so when exact time does anyone think the pic of him without the backpack is? Is it after he kidnapped her? Did she perhaps rip it off him and he went back thinking some of the stuff came out? I'm totally confused with the backpack on and backpack off. I know the cam disconnected at 1 47 .. and it seems the stills are 2 12 ... so what time is the still outside without the backpack. I still have not got that down
 
  • #29,923
Does anyone else think that the lack of a recent press conference could potentially be hurting the investigation? I feel like clear and updated messaging from LE as to status and how public can best assist is needed. Also, a presser reaches different demographics who may be more watchers of cable news vs online.

As sleuthers we all would like regular updates, but as detectives, those from the Sheriff & FBI do not need to provide the public with anything. They ask for the public's help when they need it, and provide the bare minimum of information.

The Sheriff is not blessed with super public relations skills, and he receives so much hate after each press conference that he mostly stopped giving them.

They have asked the public for tips, and have reported receiving many thousands of tips. It was reported that 18,000 tips came in during the days following the release of the masked man CCTV.
Unfortunately, more than 99% of the tips lead nowhere - but they still have to check each and every one.

They have asked the public for camera footage - my understanding is that they're not receiving as much as they'd like, primarily because most of the houses in Nancy's area are some distance from the road and have vegetation blocking the view.

We all want to know what's going on, and the information vacuum is frustrating. But it is what it is.

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  • #29,924
Good morning,
I keep asking myself why was Nancy removed from her home? Why not just leave her there? Was it because she could identify the suspect(s)? This is what I think, but trying to understand what would be other reasons.
Brian Entin’s interview with retired FBI was interesting. Though he was not a profiler, he was of the opinion that the perpetrator had a history of burglaries and that they had escalated to kidnapping. Similar skill set apparently. Whether this is true or not, I do not know, but it was an interesting take on the situation. I would highly recommend posters listening to it.

 
  • #29,925
so when exact time does anyone think the pic of him without the backpack is? Is it after he kidnapped her? Did she perhaps rip it off him and he went back thinking some of the stuff came out? I'm totally confused with the backpack on and backpack off. I know the cam disconnected at 1 47 .. and it seems the stills are 2 12 ... so what time is the still outside without the backpack. I still have not got that down

My understanding is that the still picture without the backpack was altered to remove the straps.
I'm not exactly sure why they did this. It may be that at the time of release they wanted the design of the jacket to be more obvious.
That image lead to a massive amount of confusion.
 
  • #29,926
Good morning,
I keep asking myself why was Nancy removed from her home? Why not just leave her there? Was it because she could identify the suspect(s)? This is what I think, but trying to understand what would be other reasons.
I think about this a lot too. 1) My first thought was that it was to take her to an atm to get money. I haven't heard anything about whether her accounts were accessed or not, but I'm assuming not or we probably would have heard something. Possibly this was the reason but something went wrong.

2) Then i thought the ransom bit was the reason. But if that was the case then why not show some proof of life and go after ransom immediately? I'm still thinking this is possibly the reason but not implemented as planned.

3) I also wondered if she was sadly murdered in her home and the perp knew who would likely be called to check on her in the morning and didn't want that person to have the trauma of finding her. Close insider.

4) Then there's a sick reasoning of someone who wanted time alone with her. But that's seems a low probability.

5) Also considered that taking Nancy was a payback for someone close to her having an unpaid debt of some sort. "If you don't pay up we'll take your mom/friend/etc." It's exceedingly cruel beyond measure to take her and leave the family in limbo as to where she is. Maybe that was the point.

Probably other options I'm missing. But I'm leaning toward #1 or #3.

MOO
 
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My understanding is that the still picture without the backpack was altered to remove the straps.
I'm not exactly sure why they did this. It may be that at the time of release they wanted the design of the jacket to be more obvious.
That image lead to a massive amount of confusion.
I don’t think this is correct. Could you point me to a source that verifies?
 
  • #29,928
If this is what happened, isn't it foolish of this guy to alert the door bell camera that he was on the premises while he is still trying to gain entry?
Perhaps he knew it wasn't monitored? MOO
 
  • #29,929
Good morning,
I keep asking myself why was Nancy removed from her home? Why not just leave her there? Was it because she could identify the suspect(s)? This is what I think, but trying to understand what would be other reasons.
I think it was their objective to remove her, which does indicate a kidnap for ransom motive but I suspect, sorry to say, that she succumbed to her shock, fear and medical issues shortly after they intruded. So, they dropped the ransom plan, and had to dispose of her. Then, other would-be ransomers jumped at the opportunity to make money out of the tragedy. JUST MY THOUGHTS
 
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  • #29,930
I know that I am being redundant with this question, but has anyone indicated that Nancy Guthrie had a safe in her house or on her property?
 
  • #29,931
I don’t think this is correct. Could you point me to a source that verifies?
its all so confusing .. I wish the le would at least give an understanding of did he remove the backpack. I've been totally confused as to why he would remove it...unless it was after she was in a vehicle or was it again, before he even put the backpack on....casing the joint?? A better timeline from le would be helpful. Did he perhaps come back even later than the times they put out? where did the backpack go?
 
  • #29,932
its all so confusing .. I wish the le would at least give an understanding of did he remove the backpack. I've been totally confused as to why he would remove it...unless it was after she was in a vehicle or was it again, before he even put the backpack on....casing the joint?? A better timeline from le would be helpful. Did he perhaps come back even later than the times they put out? where did the backpack go?
My first impression was that it was two different people. MOO
 
  • #29,933
My understanding is that the still picture without the backpack was altered to remove the straps.
I'm not exactly sure why they did this. It may be that at the time of release they wanted the design of the jacket to be more obvious.
That image lead to a massive amount of confusion.
Source?
 
  • #29,934
someone pointed out that in the pic without backpack that the background is bright and suggested that perhaps it’s from a different day without moonlight
 
  • #29,935
This entire investigation seems to be so hapless. I can't imagine how frustrated Savannah must be. It feels to me like her sister and brother in law must have something to do with this, based partly on how they behaved immediately after it happened, and partly on his gambling debts, as well as him being the last one to see her alive. Does anyone know---are they staying nearby? I read that they left their house last week.
I don't recall seeing anything that confirmed SIL has gambling debt, would you please cite your source for that?
 
  • #29,936
Apologies in advance… how exactly did DC find contact information for the Guthries? He texted one and called a different one for 9 seconds or minutes? So this random individual living in another state obtains what I would assume to be unpublished phone numbers/email addresses (?) for at least two separate relatives of NG and this is written off as a hoax because why? Idk at this point where or even if I saw it was due to info being wrong or something in the communications? I get that there are [link removed] opportunists but I also feel there may be some credence to these letters. I’m not convinced he isn’t involved.

The grandiose displays of power and force shown by LE and FBI looks like a military parade. Is that really how LE acts on a tip? I have to honest I don’t really like “this” FBI is involved because it really looks more like the showboating I’ve sadly become used to recently. Read that how you want. I think they already solved this and this poor family is just a pawn. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with this sheriff, I think he walked into a hot mess. It really doesn’t make sense to me given the high profile nature of this crime that help from much higher up wasn’t involved on day one. I’m not LE but at my job when I encounter something I have not dealt with before I don’t hesitate to ask for help. How many violent kidnappings has he been involved in? It seemed obvious as soon as the family walked in. For that matter how many crime scenes has the department even seen? They have no idea how to process or secure one? This just doesn’t make sense. I’ve seen that the FBI has to be invited. This sheriff honestly didn’t think to himself, I’m in over my head here? The family themselves didn’t think that? I mean SG called the congressman so someone must have thought this seems a little bit bigger than what they’re used to there. When the public begins pointing out that hey, you should probably not let people walk around in there or hey, look at that blue shirt anybody see that laying there? It looks like the one she had on in the picture you are using to show her. I mean. Doesn’t it just seem almost intentional? People keep calling the porch guy the keystone kidnapper, who has evaded the world, and yet you have the keystone cops traipsing through an active crime scene. So every member of this PD is what? What would you call them? Literally anyone who has seen an episode of CSI knows you don’t walk through a crime scene. I read a comment saying this department is a defense attorneys dream. No kidding. I would expect a lot of individuals who were convicted based on evidence gathered by this PD to be released given their absolute lack of integrity. I’m being facetious but not really.

Sorry. I actually had a few questions hidden in my long rant. Any answers appreciated. Much like everyone else on here I’m going back at least 40 pages a day trying to catch up.
 
  • #29,937
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An 84-year-old woman who was reported missing in Arizona has been identified by officials as the mother of "Today" show host Savannah Guthrie.

The Pima County Sheriff’s Department announced during a news conference on Sunday that Nancy Guthrie was last seen in the Catalina Foothills area on Saturday night at approximately 9:45 p.m.

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said a family member reported her missing on Sunday, around noon.

Nanos said search and rescue teams have been out at Nancy Gutherie's home, along with homicide teams and detectives.

Foul play has not been ruled out at this time.

I hope she is found safe, I'll hand this over to my mom and see what she can do
 
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  • #29,939
I don’t think this is correct. Could you point me to a source that verifies?

I have searched and can't even find the image, let alone the discussion - hence the "My understanding" precursor.

Edit - it's discussed here and here.
 
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No one has reported that the house was ransacked, or that anything was taken out of it except the homeowner. jmo
 

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