AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Fargo]

I have missed hundreds of posts because of how quickly this thread moves. But last night I read how people think her pacemaker was removed from her body and this is the source of the blood on her front steps.

I find this theory to be unlikely. Those blood spots are more likely to be from a nosebleed that someone staunched with a tissue. To rip open someone's chest to remove a pacemaker would be very bloody and leave much more blood, and is quite unneeded.

When it was reported that her pacemaker was disconnected, what I'm sure was meant is that it was moved out of range of her cell phone which monitored it, much like an Apple watch. JMO

No, I mean now that it's known the FBI is using a sniffer to try to locate NG's pacemaker someone might be concerned enough to remove it. IMO

 

[stmichael]

Seems like you would have to take the light out of your mouth at some point and put some DNA on a glove. MOO

Yes, the saliva transfer of stupidly using a mouth light was one of the several incongruous amateur moves evident in that video.

The more I replay it it almost seems like it was mentally challenged person or edgy teenager larping as a kidnapper. So much lost in translation - like they tried to be stealthy and use PPE but did so in such a convoluted way.

 

[birdbox]

Why would they release that dna was back and now they will run through CODIS? Why wouldn’t that be almost instantaneous?

Forensic DNA Education for Law Enforcement Decisionmakers | CODIS Hierarchy

Learn more about Forensic DNA Education for Law Enforcement Decisionmakers with an emphasis on Partial Matches, specifically, CODIS Hierarchy.

nij.ojp.gov

Probably just giving each update as they have it. Codis search probably cant happen until Monday perhaps

 

[maskedwoman]

Allowed media sources? I'm sorry to be a nitwit but I have looked all over for a list of allowed media and cannot find it. I just received a breaking news alert from Just The News which is pretty amazing, but I wasn't sure if it's an approved source. It's probably jumping up and down, and waving its arms right now, but alas, I am stumped. thank you!!

 

[MsMatlock]

Update to my previous reply to provide more accurate info on pacemaker connectivity…

A pacemaker cannot directly connect to a cell tower via RFID (Radio Frequency Identification). Pacemakers use low-frequency magnetic induction or medical radio frequencies to connect locally to a dedicated, nearby patient monitor, which then sends data via cellular or landline, whereas RFID operates on a short-range, near-field, or specialized, limited-distance frequency
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Key Details on Pacemaker Communication & Technology:

• Communication Method: Pacemakers communicate with a dedicated "wand" or home monitor placed closely to the patient's chest.
• Data Transmission: This monitor, not the pacemaker itself, uses cellular network technology (GSM) or landlines to transmit data to doctors.

I have one of these monitor devices. I am under the impression that all PM patients are given one or they use the app on your cell phone.

I’ve learned that while some brands of pacemakers use a separate cellular device to transmit data, some can work directly with your cell phone. I hope that LE is using low flying drones carrying Nancy’s fully charged Apple devices with Bluetooth enabled to see if they get a ping or try to re-synch. Seems IMO, they should have been doing this two weeks ago.

 

[Kapua]

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So a random commonly used disposable glove on the side of the road (they found many according to Nanos) will get a CODIS hit. Then what? How do you link that to an actual crime when you don't know what crime has yet been comitted and this glove was miles away from the missing person's scene.

Good question. I'll take a stab at answering it. MOO only. If matched to a known individual, they would locate that individual and question him. They would also match him to any DNA they may have recovered from NG's house. Now, if the DNA on the glove so happens to match any DNA found at the house, they might arrest him. If the DNA doesn't match anyone in the CODIS database or any DNA that the FBI has collected so far, we are back to square one.

 

[Cool Cats]

Well, it's male, and that is positive, because it seems like most of the experts think porch guy is a man. Hopefully, this is a true break in the case.

At first, I must admit that I didn't think NG was still alive. However, I'm not so sure now. Obviously, though, the longer this goes on, the greater the possibility of her not surviving it, methinks. WHEN will they get useful results?!!

CODIS and NDIS Fact Sheet | Federal Bureau of Investigation

A compilation of frequently-asked questions about the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) and the National DNA Index System (NDIS).

www.fbi.gov

Few hours to days
The speed at which CODIS works can vary depending on several factors, including the availability of DNA evidence, the quality of the evidence, and the efficiency of the forensic laboratories involved. Generally, CODIS can be used to link crimes and identify suspects within a few hours to days, depending on the complexity of the case and the resources available to the law enforcement agencies. However, the process may take longer if additional forensic analysis is required to confirm the match or if there are multiple profiles to compare.

 

[fridaybaker]

Yes, the saliva transfer of stupidly using a mouth light was one of the several incongruous amateur moves evident in that video.

The more I replay it it almost seems like it was mentally challenged person or edgy teenager larping as a kidnapper. So much lost in translation - like they tried to be stealthy and use PPE but did so in such a convoluted way.

Remember the video that was posted a ways back where the expert was thinking the porch guy scenario seemed staged? I can't remember how far back, but I think most will remember it. We talked about it quite a bit. Your comments make me think of this!

 

[Fargo]

Allowed media sources? I'm sorry to be a nitwit but I have looked all over for a list of allowed media and cannot find it. I just received a breaking news alert from Just The News which is pretty amazing, but I wasn't sure if it's an approved source. It's probably jumping up and down, and waving its arms right now, but alas, I am stumped. thank you!!

That headline is misleading.

 

[BellaToothless]

I don't think the notion of a physical ransom note is obsolete.

It would be less traceable than some electronic communication.

Find some 8.5x11" generic office paper, use a printer one already has owned for a while, print a brief message and handle with gloves. Dispose of printer in a normal black trash bag. Job done.

Vs using a phone, computer or other means to transmit an e-demand.

The problem is with receiving the ransom. The days of saying "leave it under the third park bench from the right" are long over. I've racked my brain and cannot come up with a way for the drop or handoff to happen that doesn't seriously jeopardize the perp.

Yes. But if they were leaving a body then I think it would be easier for them to remain unknown.

 

[KivaloNyomozo’]

I am 100% imagining at this very moment the DNA has been entered into Codis (I know what they said about 24 hours) and MANY people are around computer screens working fiercely to find a match. Let this be the day….

 

[Diddian]

I don’t know about you, but if I were the suspect, I’d want to incinerate everything to be 100% evidence was destroyed. But I wouldn’t want to do it in an urban or suburban area - too many prying eyes and noses. Plenty of criminals have been caught burning evidence within nose-shot of neighbors. I’d go to a remote area and torch it.

But maybe a glove flew out the window and he couldn’t find it at night. Criminals have been caught by similar blunders.

The perpetrator appeared to be wearing two pairs of gloves (likely to avoid his/her own DNA being deposited on the same DNA as the victim’s DNA). So, that person likely thought there was zero risk to tossing out the outer pair of gloves.

 

[New Penny]

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He could have move it to the front temporarily so he could help NG out of the house without the gun getting in the way.

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I know we can debate the garage door until the end of time, but both the SO and FBI believe Nancy made it home and was abducted from inside her home. If they thought the scene was staged or had evidence SIL/AG were lying they probably would've been taken into custody by now.

If we factor in all the elements that would have to go perfectly right for AG/SIL to pull this off, they'd have to: murder Nancy, sanitize the crime scene, stage a return home, stage a crime scene at Nancy's, hide the body, create a fake intruder and convincingly lie their way through multiple police interviews. That is a lot of activity for two middle-aged people with no criminal background. It just doesn't seem plausible. MOO.

Thank you voice of reason.

MOO

 

[Skigh]

Allowed media sources? I'm sorry to be a nitwit but I have looked all over for a list of allowed media and cannot find it. I just received a breaking news alert from Just The News which is pretty amazing, but I wasn't sure if it's an approved source. It's probably jumping up and down, and waving its arms right now, but alas, I am stumped. thank you!!

If it is genuine breaking news then it will be on one of the live main stream media news reports.

 

[maskedwoman]

That headline is misleading.

I just re-read it and I see what you mean. Thank you for stopping me from accidentally creating mayhem.

 

[stmichael]

Well, they may have a male profile already from Nancy's house and these could match. There are many possibilities but this glove that visually resembles the perps gloves both of which do NOT resemble the other 15 gloves they found. They can test it and see where or if it's a piece of evidence or they can just overlook it.

Sure, but like I said, even if it hits with a random sample in the house that's not a gotcha. She had workers coming and going, maybe on came in to use the bathroom or talk about the job. Usually they come in to settle the bill. So you found a workers glove that worked on her house on the side of the road.

We still can't establish a definitive crime and have no publicized evidence of it that we know (the Nest cam shows a guy walking up to the front door --that was not breached after her disappearance- and commit petty vandalism, that's it). We have reasonable suspicion of a crime but unless they have other video evidence or other clear evidence we don't know of it's still a bit of a blind spot as to what went down and who exactly was responsible.

Of course I get they would test all this, but it's hardly a "breakthrough" yet as some of the articles say.

 

[penguinface]

Sure, but like I said, even if it hits with a random sample in the house that's not a gotcha. She had workers coming and going, maybe on came in to use the bathroom or talk about the job. Usually they come in to settle the bill. So you found a workers glove that worked on her house on the side of the road.

We still can't establish a definitive crime and have no publicized evidence of it that we know (the Nest cam shows a guy walking up to the front door --that was not breached after her disappearance- and commit petty vandalism, that's it). We have reasonable suspicion of a crime but unless they have other video evidence or other clear evidence we don't know of it's still a bit of a blind spot as to what went down and who exactly was responsible.

Of course I get they would test all this, but it's hardly a "breakthrough" yet as some of the articles say.

Stealing the camera counts as a definitive crime!

JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The sources said investigators are leaning away from any relatives of Nancy Guthrie as suspects.

The sources also said investigators are leaning away from both the man who was stopped in a car in Rio Rico last week and the man whose home was searched Friday night.

However, as Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos told ABC News on Friday, "Nobody is fully cleared" until the kidnapper is in custody.

Investigators leaning away from Guthrie family as suspects, sources say

The sources said investigators are leaning away from any relatives of Nancy Guthrie as suspects.

6abc.com

 

[Cassie P]

My opinion is that he was unaware of the doorbell camera given he came unprepared to deal with it. Otherwise he would have had a tool to quickly remove it or something to cover it at the ready instead of grabbing a plant to cover it.

IMO he *did* seem concerned with it though which is why he held his fist up while checking how firmly it was attached to the doorframe.

Also, my doorbell sends notifications when it detects movement but not enough to wake me up. It would take someone actually pushing the button for the chime or alert on phone woke me.

He may have also been of the mind that even if the notification alerted someone, he had enough time to get in and do whatever he needed to do. Once he was inside, if NG was still in bed, he’d know whether anyone had been alerted or not.

Yes he seemed unprepared for it or thought it had already been disarmed. If you were going to commit a capital crime, I'd think he would have examined the crime scene beforehand. Or perhaps it was a routine B&E which went bad. Or the kidnapping or staging was being done on short notice.

My doorbell notification is loud and would wake me up. Also women are lighter sleepers than men. Most older women report difficulty sleeping. So more likely an older female would wake up with a phone alert.

 

[stmichael]

Stealing the camera counts as a definitive crime!

JMO

Petty vandalism. A ticket in AZ penal code.